Help choosing a metal pickup

Rottenriffer69

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Hello one and all, this is why Seymour Duncan will always be worse than dimarzio. Just kidding, hopefully I got your attention :D

My current guitar is an Ibanez RG 421PB, with a body made of poplar and meranti and a maple neck with jatoba fingerboard. Definitely not a dark sounding guitar, and I don’t have much experience with describing tone, but I would say it’s on the brighter side but kind of neutral
 
Welcome to the site, who are some of the folks/bands that inspire you?

Couple suggestions off the bat, Duncan Distortion (80s metal) Black Winter (modern version of the Distortion), Custom or Custom 5, Invader or JB.

I had a Distortion in an old RG570 and loved it. I also have one in my Iceman, have a JB in a mahogany/maple ESP LTD and a Black Winter in a mahogany ESP LTD. I like them all, but my personal preference is the Distortion.
 
I like the Black Winter as well. Like... big time.

But you've got a lot of room to move within the Duncan range. I also really like the Nazgul and Distortion.

I've got a Custom on the way right now. Hopefully I'll like it as much as the other Duncan offerings.

What tone are you after? What are your references? What tuning? What style of Metal?
 
Hello one and all, this is why Seymour Duncan will always be worse than dimarzio. Just kidding, hopefully I got your attention :D

My current guitar is an Ibanez RG 421PB, with a body made of poplar and meranti and a maple neck with jatoba fingerboard. Definitely not a dark sounding guitar, and I don’t have much experience with describing tone, but I would say it’s on the brighter side but kind of neutral

Pickup + guitar + pedals + amp. Good to share as much of this info as you can. I never had any success chasing metal tone by simply changing a pickup.

My favorite metal tone is an EMG 81 in a Les Paul into a into a jacked up 5150. Can also be achieved with other guitars, though sometimes they need a clean boost to slam the amp right. Or a clean boost plus an EQ pedal to get the frequency balance right.
 
We really need to know exactly what sort of metal, and what sort of rig. And tuning! E? Eb? D, C#, perhaps B???

Distortion - Pure Aggression
Black Winter - A Distortion wearing a silk shirt shirt and expensive Italian shoes. Stylish but still bad@$$.
Dimebucker - Distilled Aggression!
Invader - Thundering Destruction
Custom - The Thunder of the Invader, the Aggression of the Distortion, with the deposition of a PAF having a really bad day - in a good way.
The JB is an Angry little boxer that punches wayyy above his weight compared to the above, but can get downright nasty!

If we are going to do metal, I say we drop the pretense, and just a get a distortion and get on with it.
 
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That's a hardtail, right? I would watch boom from too bassy pickups. Especially on the neck pickup.
 
Yep, I am thinking about dropping one in my Parker. That would give me 3 BW guitars.

If I weren't obsessive about not having the same pickup in more than one guitar, I'd probably go with BWs across the board for my metal-oriented guitars. Except for the one with the Nazgul in it, that works just fine.
 
If I weren't obsessive about not having the same pickup in more than one guitar, I'd probably go with BWs across the board for my metal-oriented guitars. Except for the one with the Nazgul in it, that works just fine.

It works for me in the studio. It gives some consistency in tone across guitars. I want to use the Parker on a new song, and the the pickups sound great but will not keep up with everything else I use.
 
I tried a DiMartino super distortion and found it to be wayyy too harsh and not what I was looking for, but I did play it out of a fender 4x12 cab and a solid state Ibanez tone blaster head, so maybe the headroom wasn’t good enough or gain was too high? I aim to be playing out of a mesa dual rec stack eventually, and want a pickup that’s thick and powerful and saturated but still with decent clarity. I have my eyes on the distortion, black winter, and maybe something lower output for clarity? But can you still make up for the differences in pickup to pickup by adjusting gain, EQ, and having an overdrive in front? Like if the black winter for some reason sounds too bright in this guitar, couldn’t I just EQ it? Or achieve toughness and clarity with an overdrive? I’d like to play music with awesome thick distortion sections but also clean sections, so I plan to put a jazz in the neck for that, with intention to go total bridge switch or total neck switch when going from clean to dist. I’m aiming to play 90s emo core with quiet loud dynamics but with distortion that is super crushing, kind of like Hum. I dig the modern feel of the black winter the most tbh, but worried it might be too hot and the notes might smear too much for chords and strumming and sustained chords, but I think that could be helped with the aforementioned edits to the settings? I mostly play in a whole step down and drop C, and don’t play too much fast right single note trem stuff, more chords and chugs. Sorry for the unorganized writing, and thanks for all the help, you guys make chasing the tone dragon way more smooth. :)
 
I tried a DiMartino super distortion and found it to be wayyy too harsh and not what I was looking for, but I did play it out of a fender 4x12 cab and a solid state Ibanez tone blaster head, so maybe the headroom wasn’t good enough or gain was too high? I aim to be playing out of a mesa dual rec stack eventually, and want a pickup that’s thick and powerful and saturated but still with decent clarity. I have my eyes on the distortion, black winter, and maybe something lower output for clarity? But can you still make up for the differences in pickup to pickup by adjusting gain, EQ, and having an overdrive in front? Like if the black winter for some reason sounds too bright in this guitar, couldn’t I just EQ it? Or achieve toughness and clarity with an overdrive? I’d like to play music with awesome thick distortion sections but also clean sections, so I plan to put a jazz in the neck for that, with intention to go total bridge switch or total neck switch when going from clean to dist. I’m aiming to play 90s emo core with quiet loud dynamics but with distortion that is super crushing, kind of like Hum. I dig the modern feel of the black winter the most tbh, but worried it might be too hot and the notes might smear too much for chords and strumming and sustained chords, but I think that could be helped with the aforementioned edits to the settings? I mostly play in a whole step down and drop C, and don’t play too much fast right single note trem stuff, more chords and chugs. Sorry for the unorganized writing, and thanks for all the help, you guys make chasing the tone dragon way more smooth. :)

The super d is known for having a “chewy” motorcycle sounding high-mid/top end that’s most preferable for old school metal. Sounds like you want something cleaner in that range like the Duncan Distortion. The Black Winter and Nazgul are awesome. The Nas gets that tight, modern sound to where you don’t even need a boost in front of the Dual Rec if you dial it in right.
 
The most important thing to me seems to be the output level of the pickups, and I’m wondering if the high output of the black winter will be able to handle the thick hi gain rectifier distortion the best, with any smearing or lack of note separation being handled with gain adjustment, drive, and EQ, if I’d want to go for a somewhat more clear distortion sound. But still be able go full crush mode. Tbh the sound of the black winters sound sample on the Seymour Duncan website sounded best to me out of all the pickups, especially the very saturated opening chords and chugs, but can that sound still be accomplished with lower output? I’m sure it is, but it might not have that extra edge maybe? Like is it better to have a higher output pickup and have its gain handling benefits or have a medium output like the custom and then crank the gain elsewhere to get more saturated? Won’t the hotter pup sound better with more gain than medium?
 
The most important thing to me seems to be the output level of the pickups, and I’m wondering if the high output of the black winter will be able to handle the thick hi gain rectifier distortion the best, with any smearing or lack of note separation being handled with gain adjustment, drive, and EQ, if I’d want to go for a somewhat more clear distortion sound. But still be able go full crush mode. Tbh the sound of the black winters sound sample on the Seymour Duncan website sounded best to me out of all the pickups, especially the very saturated opening chords and chugs, but can that sound still be accomplished with lower output? I’m sure it is, but it might not have that extra edge maybe? Like is it better to have a higher output pickup and have its gain handling benefits or have a medium output like the custom and then crank the gain elsewhere to get more saturated? Won’t the hotter pup sound better with more gain than medium?
Yes. Yes it does. Rectos like hot pickups better IMO.

Honestly, on a Rectifier, the hardest you can hit the input with a HOT pickup and a boost, the better. The gain knob on a Recto fattens up the amp as you turn it up. So it's better to hit it the amp hard so that you can run the gain as low as you can for that little extra clarity and tightness.
 
Ok now it’s distortion vs black winter neck and neck!!! Or should I say bridge to bridge…

The note articulation and overall goodness of the black winter seems more appealing, but I’m just concerned that the black winter might be too harsh or too bright in my poplar-meranti bodied and maple necked guitar, which will be in D standard mostly through a Mesa dual rectifier. I heard someone say that the BW is ideal for what I’m looking for but that if my guitar was overly bright or thin it’d be better to get the distortion… but if I’m in D standard and drop C# and use an EQ won’t any extra BW harshness be taken care of? This is the epitome of overthinking tone lol, thanks to everyone for bearing with me.
 
And are those types of tone wood considered bright and thin? To my ears the Ibanez RG-421PB definitely isn’t dark, and has a kind of neutral to brighter tone when played acoustically and clean… so distortion? But then I’ll miss the benefits of the BW as a pickup.. and I could probably EQ any frequencies I don’t like… However, my guitar doesn’t have the scale length and string tension rn to go down to super low tunings that the BW might be made for… hmm

I think I’ll just get a black winter and try to dial it in and if I can’t get it to work distortion it is!!!
 
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