Help removing epoxy?

Slamundson

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Hi guys, so I’ve got more than a few guitars but will be moving out of state most likely permanently in about a year. I’m only taking one guitar with me and decided to take my least valuable, least sentimental value with me. All the others will have to stay behind for awhile until I come back to get everything. So the Jackson I’m going to take with me is a professional model, I bought it exactly how it came. There’s a black epoxy type material over the word professional, I have no idea why anyone would want to cover up the fact that it’s a pro model unless they were going to try and put made in USA to pass it off as American? I can’t say for sure. Unless I’m totally wrong and this isn’t a pro model, and there’s nothing underneath. But there’s def a raise on the face of the headstock, it’s very smooth to the touch and barely noticeable, but I would like to have it read professional on there once again. Anyone have any suggestions, like maybe wet sanding it down? Here are the best pics I could get. CAEC8BB6-4B59-4809-B409-D1ADF595323E.jpg16F8B49E-814C-49BE-A559-0C846BEBA1A4.jpg
 
Re: Help removing epoxy?

Short version: you can't, it's a lot more durable than the headstock overlay.

Well, you can sand it off or something, but then you're gonna need to go through the grits and then compound the headstock... and that's if the overlay has enough finish on it. And the overlay and binding will be A LOT more sandable than epoxy.

Best case scenario, you'll end up with a different color binding where you sanded. Worst case, you sand through parts of something somewhere and it looks like azz --- missing parts of letters or something

PS you COULD flatten the bump significantly by taping off around it and carefully sanding it down. But re-exposing the "Professional" label would be a fool's errand
 
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I'm gonna say someone obscured it with black super glue.... And there's not much you can do that wouldn't look worse, other than stripping the face of the peghead and starting over. Since it doesn't affect the playability or tone - live with it.
 
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If it's super glue that stuff is brittle and can probably be coaxed into flaking right off... with epoxy, likely no such luck

Kinda looks like EMG epoxy though
 
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I doubt it's actually epoxy -that would be a weird choice -but in my opinion, there is too much danger in figuring out which solvent can possibly remove it.

Think of it as a little nuance to your guitar that makes it YOURS and no one elses!
 
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Yeah I’m not sure if it’s actually an epoxy or what it is, that’s just the first word I came up with haha. It doesn’t kill me to have it there, just a small annoyance. I’m still waiting for the day for another one to pop up, then I’ll just do the ol switcharoo. This guitar has other things going on that make it unique. Someone added a toggle switch at some point then took it out and filled it up. But yes it doesn’t affect the playability in the slightest so no big deal
 
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If it's raised, you could try the taped-off razor blade trick that's used for leveling drop-fill's on finish repairs. I think Dan Erlewine is where I first saw it?

I've used it to level CA on drop-fills, and it's pretty effective, but I don't know if you'll be able to get down to the lettering without damaging it. I know most epoxies (if that's what it was, and I doubt it is) will yield to heat, but so will the binding, the headstock overlay and the lettering...


Larry
 
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Without knowing what you are actually trying to remove, it is best to leave it alone.
 
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Oh the (silly) things people do (with reference to epoxy).

I mean: if this was just to cover up some wording on the headstock why go to that amount of trouble??? You could accomplish the same thing with a heavy black permanent marker (a few coats would do the trick) and it wouldn't be a problem.

How sure are you that a) this was ONLY done to cover up some wording and b) that if it was indeed done just to cover up some wording then it's the word "Professional" underneath???

Anyways. How much do you know about this guitar as a matter of interest??? Reason I ask (and being a "Jackson Junkie") I looked around the Internet today at Jackson headstocks and Jackson headstock logos (because I've never personally seen a Jackson with anything more than just "Jackson" on the headstock). So far as I can tell: none of the new Professional Series have the word "Professional" on the headstock. The only other Jackson I was able to find with the word "Professional" on the headstock was one of the Randy Rhoads Professional models (see interesting link here: http://audiozone.dk/index-filer/jackson-pro-professional.php).

Notwithstanding the above: it would seem that the "USA Select" Series does indeed show "Made In USA" on the headstocks.

Whatever the case: I'm not sure I'd try removing that stuff if it is indeed epoxy or even superglue. Chances of removing whatever it is without affecting what's below are pretty slim in my opinion. What's more and based on what I found (as noted above): that should be a pretty darn decent Jackson. Might be worth to rather take it to someone and have the job done proper (and nicely cover those holes in the body too). What I'm saying is that this may just NOT be your crappiest guitar!!!

Oh and for the record I found this ("taped off razor blade trick") as mentioned, quite correctly, by @larryguitar: https://www.stewmac.com/How-To/Online_Resources/Neck_Building_and_Repair_and_Setup/Hiding_an_evil_smile_peghead_break_with_the_Razor_Blade_Trick.html.

P.S.

Dumb question but have you by any chance tried cigarette lighter fluid??? Seen this stuff take off all sorts of things without damage. You never know.

P.P.S.

Just took a look at my Jacksons. How sure are you that the word "Jackson" is original on your particular guitar??? I could be way off of the mark here but it sure could be possible, given the logo, that the entire headstock has been redone at some point???

P.P.P.S

Never mind. Ignore the above. Just took another look at the logo on the Rhoads model(s). Yours is identical. Evidently Jackson did change the design of the logos at some point later on.
 
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I’m 100% sure it says professional under there, it’s a Jackson archtop soloist professional from 1991. I’ve had a few other pro models. Plus a lot of Jackson headstocks have made in U.S.A on them. The “professional” models are made in Japan.
I haven’t tried anything yet, I’ve never tackled anything like this so up for as many opinions as possible. The taping and razor blade is sounding like a good option, or I could just leave it I suppose. The word Jackson isn’t in the most beautiful looking shape either

Here’s a pic of a Jackson pro headstock that I have that reads professional on it
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Hello.

Well: you've certainly got it covered then (no pun intended!!! LOL!!!).

1991 Japanese Jackson(s)??? As I said: pretty sure those are not your WORST guitars!!! If they are: be keen to know the rest of the collection!!! LOL!!! Tell ya this much and for me: in the case of a natural disaster I save my Jacksons FIRST!!! LOL!!!
 
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I’d say your right it’s not my worst guitar, I do own an a acoustic that I never really touch haha. It’s just got the least sentimental value for me, like I said I would sell this one instantly if I came across the same one in nicer condition. Moving to new area, if it got stolen or something it would suck but I wouldn’t be crushed. If my whole collection was stolen I’d be devastated.

Here’s what I have left after selling off about 20 guitars in the past 3 years, I’ve only kept the really rare, pretty much irreplaceable ones, besides the Jackson we’re talking about haha.
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Wow!!! Thanks for the pics.!!! At least I was right about ONE thing on this thread!!! LOL!!!

Magnificient!!! Kramer, Charvel, Jackson!!!

If I had a collection (based on the guitars I’ve had or based on the guitars I’d wish to have) it would look very similar I’m sure!!! LOL!!!

So a “child of the ‘80s” maybe???

What are the two red guitars (with the rounded headstocks)???

Very, very, nice!!!

P.S.

Not exactly a "collection" but they mean the world to me too (each has their own unique story really) (and had Charvels late '80s / early '90s and a Jackson Soloist SL1H at some later point in my "musical career" between the Charvels and these):

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Yes sir, I still have all my toys and crap from the 80’s. Glad I have somewhere to store everything. Those are Yamaha pacificas 1412 and 1421 from 1991. There’s definitely a lot of redundancy in what I’ve kept, but I know what I like hah. All carved top, 24 fret, trems, neck thru or set neck construction.

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I’d say your right it’s not my worst guitar, I do own an a acoustic that I never really touch haha. It’s just got the least sentimental value for me, like I said I would sell this one instantly if I came across the same one in nicer condition. Moving to new area, if it got stolen or something it would suck but I wouldn’t be crushed. If my whole collection was stolen I’d be devastated.

Here’s what I have left after selling off about 20 guitars in the past 3 years, I’ve only kept the really rare, pretty much irreplaceable ones, besides the Jackson we’re talking about haha.
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WOW man!!! not a single bolt-on? how come?? astonishing collection BTW!
 
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Yes sir, I still have all my toys and crap from the 80’s. Glad I have somewhere to store everything. Those are Yamaha pacificas 1412 and 1421 from 1991. There’s definitely a lot of redundancy in what I’ve kept, but I know what I like hah. All carved top, 24 fret, trems, neck thru or set neck construction.

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Looked it up..... daaaaaamn those things are expensive
 
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That lightning bolt guitar is killer!

That's a whats-his-name signature Kramer right?

Vivian Campbell Nightswan? Early or pre-production version with regular fret markers? Or replica?

Or....a post-Kramer Buddy Blaze from the guy who made the original?
 
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I do have 1 bolt on guitar not pictured, a Charvel fusion which I love too, it’s also my only flat top guitar I’ve kept. Mostly kept it cuz it’s the only guitar I have with a maple board and it sounds amazing. I’ve always like the fret access from neck thru guitars, and carved tops feel more comfortable to me and extremely aesthetically pleasing.

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