How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

[Phantasmagoria]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

Nothing is "in the fingers" for purposes of legitimate gear discussion.And ntothign surprised me.

You (or anyone) could have the best of gear and that dude (or anyone) could still play that thing through his 30 watt spider & sound a zillion times better..so yeah..it's in the fingers.

That idiots sweep pick and tapping turns to slop when the gain is turned down.

When did he turn the gain down(!?) ..& frankly that's kind of a cliched (& dumb) argument you hear from 99% of people who've got a problem with shred/shredders (cuz they can't shred) . The truth is he was picking pretty cleanly & that would come through on the oldest & rarest cult amp on the planet.

There isnt honestly one lick in that guys repoitoire that would fly on a ol skool cranked Deluxe reverb.

You'd be surprised.

Thats why old blues guys are so great. They play clean-on-the -edge of breakup, and they have to have real contact with fingers on strings, and clean and sherp licks, with a lot of muscle ...not that junk the fool hear is trying to pass off as legitimate.

I've got no problem with awesome old blues guys either.. Does that mean I think they're better or more talented? ....Not by a long shot...apples & oranges.

Its the high output pickup doing all of that guys sustain.it picks up more vibrations from that POS plank that he is using. The point os for real tone, you need a great piece of wood, and a lower power older PAF style pickup. The betetr and older the wod is, the more traditonally l;ower output and better , sweeter tone through a amp that isnt all about compression, but has more old skpooo sag and sweeter cleans.

Tone is subjective..there is no "real tone". You are'nt going to be playing great death metal with low output Paf's through an antique Fender at the verge of breakup...you won't even manage Iron Maiden.

No, tis isnt a surprise at all. You could use a concrte block with sweep and tpappin with a a staruated compreessed amp.

Your post reminds me of my dad...he'd always say that metal guys only played so fast & mind-bogglingly awesome because they had rubber bands on their guitars and there was a well-trained classical or Jazz musician backstage who was actually doing the playing....in other words , he was talking rubbish...(but at least he was joking)

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

I have found neck bolts to give a powerful Rock and Roll sound…

I have found the chicks in your avatar to give a powerful rock and roll sound.

Oh, and yeah, the tight fit in the pocket really helps.

 

[LReese]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

I have found neck bolts to give a powerful Rock and Roll sound…

Grade 8 all the way, man! If I'm really wanting to rock out, grade 9.

Wait a minute - just how are you implying those bolts be used?

 

[astrozombie]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

Honestly it doesn't really matter to me if it's between a good fit and a tight fit.

now, a poorly done neck pocket i can't stand.

 

[Myaccount876]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

Jerry, remember what I said earlier about insecurities? Try to keep it in mind, especially when making criticisms.

 

[BloodRose]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

I have found the chicks in your avatar to give a powerful rock and roll sound.

Oh, and yeah, the tight fit in the pocket really helps.

The one in front is a chick, the one in back is marilyn manson.

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

Jerry, remember what I said earlier about insecurities? Try to keep it in mind, especially when making criticisms.

Aces High! Once again , you have a great grasp of the fundamentals. I can't argue with you , you always bring up some sound principles. I, OTOH, always tend to proseltyze , and my emotions are ruled by Mars..often when a careful study of the facts would be more prudent. I think you guys might cut me some slack cause you may know it comes form a true ageless love of tone and guitar playing, but yeah, I am trying to be more considerate. Myaccount, you are one guy Id like to sit down with with a few guitars and amps and kick ideas back and forth. In this case, I can go into guitar Center any day of the week, and hear 14 year olds sweep picking as good or beter than the dude in the video with his home made log, so I didnt consider it as a high art, but a low art, and contrasts it with great bluemasters who take 20-30 years to perfect their skills. Also, I dont compare that log the boy is playing to a 4000.00 Les paul in any way shape or form. The sustain is deifferent, and isnt quality body wood sustain, but is pickup and amp sustain, and the sweep pciker would sounds like ass through a clean/breakup eluxe Reverb amp, bcasue he needs the compression to smear the notes, wheras the blues picker comes into is own. I do need to stop my emotional commenting here, and right now though..its getting ack to the point of trolling, and I dont want that to happen.

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

Jerry, remember what I said earlier about insecurities? Try to keep it in mind, especially when making criticisms.

Aces High! Once again , you have a great grasp of the fundamentals. I can't argue with you , you always bring up some sound principles. I, OTOH, always tend to proseltyze , and my emotions are ruled by Mars..often when a careful study of the facts would be more prudent. I think you guys might cut me some slack cause you may know it comes form a true ageless love of tone and guitar playing, but yeah, I am trying to be more considerate. Myaccount, you are one guy Id like to sit down with with a few guitars and amps and kick ideas back and forth. In this case, I can go into guitar Center any day of the week, and hear 14 year olds sweep picking as good or beter than the dude in the video with his home made log, so I didnt consider it as a high art, but a low art, and contrasts it with great bluemasters who take 20-30 years to perfect their skills. Also, I dont compare that log the boy is playing to a 4000.00 Les paul in any way shape or form. The sustain is deifferent, and isnt quality body wood sustain, but is pickup and amp sustain, and the sweep pciker would sounds like ass through a clean/breakup eluxe Reverb amp, bcasue he needs the compression to smear the notes, wheras the blues picker comes into is own. I do need to stop my emotional commenting here, and right now though..its getting ack to the point of trolling, and I dont want that to happen.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

Sure a bit of compression's great for tapping, sweep picking etc...but what's a whole lot more important is practice & actual clean picking, or you sound like ass with or without the compression....if 14 years olds sound great doing it ..it's because they've probably practiced all day for years, not because it's easy or "low art".

The blues guy would'nt sound that great playing through a dimed Triple recto with an X2N in the bridge either.

And hey, Yngwie can play the blues...how many blues guys can play Yngwie?

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

Sure a bit of compression's great for tapping, sweep picking etc...but what's a whole lot more important is practice & actual clean picking, or you sound like ass with or without the compression....if 14 years olds sound great doing it ..it's because they've probably practiced all day for years, not because it's easy or "low art".

The blues guy would'nt sound that great playing through a dimed Triple recto with an X2N in the bridge either.

And hey, Yngwie can play the blues...how many blues guys can play Yngwie?

Man, that is some good insight. I shall retire and take that into careful consideration. Thank you.

 

[Chocklit_Thunda]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

Oh and to answer the original question, a tight neck pocket fit doesn't help. It's the security between the neck and the face of the pocket via the screws that counts most. You can remove the side walls entirely and still have a great sounding guitar.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

+1

 

[LReese]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

I don't know - Having a neck pocket too tight can 'choke' off tone.

 

[JordanM82]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

Man this thread went way off track...

Ummm personal opinion I think the neck pocket can make a different but I think it's more about the flush top to bottom fit then the sides. I have seen some sloppy neck joints on some great sounding and sustaining guitars before (Laz's included).

As far as the whole tone in the fingers, not sure I buy that non-sense 100%. You can have "YOUR" sound or style in your fingers, and that might be recognizable and completely unique; but the guitar still needs to have tone too. Just my .02

 

[Artie]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

Man this thread went way off track...

Let's bring it back. I'd love it if someone/anyone could comment on what I said in post #65. I know there's some talent on this forum in both guitar builders and luthiers.

 

[vinta9e]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

Personally I think it's more critical for tone in a set neck, although it looks more unsightly in a bolt-on. What I like about a tight fitting bolt-on is the stability.

 

[Chocklit_Thunda]

Re: How critical is a tight fit at the neck pocket for bolt ons??

Personally I think it's more critical for tone in a set neck, although it looks more unsightly in a bolt-on. What I like about a tight fitting bolt-on is the stability.

Correct for a set neck you want the maximum amount of contact for the surfaces to get glued together. The tighter they fit the better your glue joint. With bolt ins this isn't really the case. You only really need the bottom and maybe the front surface of your neck to make good contact with the screws holding then together tightly. Yes a tight fit feels much more secure, but it isn't a necessity. The side walls help more in aligning your neck