Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

  • Screw(Filister)/Slug (conventional HB coil config)

    Votes: 30 45.5%
  • Screw(Filister)/Screw(Filister) ([I]à la[/I] Gibson Dirty Fingers)

    Votes: 6 9.1%
  • Screw(Hexhead)/Screw(Filister) ([I]à la[/I] Screaming Demon)

    Votes: 23 34.8%
  • Screw(Hexhead)/Screw(Hexhead) ([I]à la[/I] Full Shred)

    Votes: 9 13.6%
  • Screw(Hexhead)/Slug (never seen one like it?)

    Votes: 12 18.2%

  • Total voters
    66
  • Poll closed .
Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

I do not believe I ever said that. If you have a link let me know.
You know, I sincerely apologize. You neither confirmed nor denied the coil sharing and for some reason my memory stuck with you confirming that they're different.

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...-share-coils&p=3245254&viewfull=1#post3245254

However, as you say there, LtK did pull apart the pickups and discovered some nuance between them. Whether that's factory tolerance or by design, I dunno.

As such, I'm sure the SH-6n would be a good pairing with the '59n coil for a hybrid if they are the same wire and winding method as the Custom but just wound ~10% lighter. Would you agree, Frank?
 
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Then why not just build it yourself if you're using existing coils? Think of it this way, if it's a new design, you get more coils to play with.

Already doing that, and more. I'm just annoyed by the process of this forum pickup. We (you) seem to go around in circles and that is a waste of time. There's a consensus on what it should be but the focus is on the wrong questions.

Would I get this pickup? Yes. One to try it out cause I'm a sucker for new pups. But would I use it regularly? Nop. I'm happy with my own methods of making a hybrid to nail down a specific tone. There's no one pickup to rule it all, so I'd rather tinker myself. Sometimes I come up with something I really like. Sometimes it's something a customer of mine really likes.
 
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Dude, we're ALL frustrated in one way or another, but the forum design idea is really just a novelty these days. I'm not joking when I say you can call up the custom shop right now and get exactly what you want straight away, without any of the drama of a forum designed pickup (I know you already know this). Sure, it costs a little extra, but you're buying peace of mind, keeping your blood pressure in check and possibly avoiding a few gray hairs in the process :)

Ultimately, there won't be a "forum pickup" if no one does anything. I'm trying to figure out why those complaining didn't offer to take the reigns themselves (or did they and I missed it?). Nonetheless, there's a chance for this to come out awesome no matter which direction it takes!

If you want to work this into a 59/Custom neck model, then VOTE for the standard filister/slug combo.
 
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Yes, VOTE!

Just be nice to each other at the same time. Let's keep this thread about the pickup and not about each other. OK?
 
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Yes, VOTE!

But does this mean that the voicing is going to be decided after? If thats true it makes no sense to vote. If this is a 59/C neck then someone might vote differently than if its a new pickup blank slate idea thats been alluded too. So which is it?

Even then the poll being multiple choice is weighted in favor of a screw/screw configuration of some type. Even now the poll would look differently if only one vote was allowed.
 
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But does this mean that the voicing is going to be decided after? If thats true it makes no sense to vote. If this is a 59/C neck then someone might vote differently than if its a new pickup blank slate idea thats been alluded too. So which is it?

Even then the poll being multiple choice is weighted in favor of a screw/screw configuration of some type. Even now the poll would look differently if only one vote was allowed.
I do agree that this vote is putting explicit features of the pickup before the general idea of the pickup, and I only say that because it keeps popping up that this is in fact not a neck companion to the '59/C but something else.

LtK, can we have some clarification here? Are we working on the basis of this being a '59/C neck companion or is that still being debated?
 
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it keeps popping up that this is in fact not a neck companion to the '59/C but something else.

If it is something else then just exactly what is it?

I'm actually confounded that we are voting on what screws to put into a pickup that we dont know what it is.
 
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If it is something else then just exactly what is it?

I'm actually confounded that we are voting on what screws to put into a pickup that we dont know what it is.
Hence why I asked for the kinda Lieutenant to clarify for us, just so we know what's what. Let's see what he says.
 
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Once the dust settles, it'll be much more clear to the ones really committed to make things happen.

Let the process take its course.
 
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Dude, we're ALL frustrated in one way or another, but the forum design idea is really just a novelty these days. I'm not joking when I say you can call up the custom shop right now and get exactly what you want straight away, without any of the drama of a forum designed pickup (I know you already know this). Sure, it costs a little extra, but you're buying peace of mind, keeping your blood pressure in check and possibly avoiding a few gray hairs in the process :)

Ultimately, there won't be a "forum pickup" if no one does anything. I'm trying to figure out why those complaining didn't offer to take the reigns themselves (or did they and I missed it?). Nonetheless, there's a chance for this to come out awesome no matter which direction it takes!

If you want to work this into a 59/Custom neck model, then VOTE for the standard filister/slug combo.

It begs the question if its wiser to repeat the same steps; steps that led to a pickup with unsatisfactory results before as well as a dead end on a more recent occasion. The right questions are being asked by several members here, but aren't being put forward in a poll of ANY kind. We're still stuck at 'what do you want it to look like?!'.

Do we want a real companion for the 59/C, regardless of the coils being used?
Do we want a companion for the 59/C but with the use of existing coils?
Do we want a companion for the 59/C but with the use of the 59n and a new coil, an underwound (but matched) Custom coil?

It boils down to these three questions.

If I'm wrong, please tell me why I'm wrong. If not, these are the three questions that will, ultimately decide what pickup we'll be getting.

Oh, assuming the 59/C neck pickup is indeed the pickup forum we want. but I guess that previous polls already determined that so I feel safe in assuming the aforementioned questions are really the only 3 we need to poll.
 
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It begs the question if its wiser to repeat the same steps; steps that led to a pickup with unsatisfactory results before as well as a dead end on a more recent occasion. The right questions are being asked by several members here, but aren't being put forward in a poll of ANY kind. We're still stuck at 'what do you want it to look like?!'.

Do we want a real companion for the 59/C, regardless of the coils being used?
Do we want a companion for the 59/C but with the use of existing coils?
Do we want a companion for the 59/C but with the use of the 59n and a new coil, an underwound (but matched) Custom coil?

It boils down to these three questions.

If I'm wrong, please tell me why I'm wrong. If not, these are the three questions that will, ultimately decide what pickup we'll be getting.

Oh, assuming the 59/C neck pickup is indeed the pickup forum we want. but I guess that previous polls already determined that so I feel safe in assuming the aforementioned questions are really the only 3 we need to poll.
I'm 100% with orpheo here.

To answer masta' c's questions, I would have offered to steer this ship but as a moderator I feel that I'd be overstepping my bounds on what's supposed to be a pickup for the general forum users given that I'm not just a regular user. However, as a member of the forum that may be interested in buying this pickup I feel it's OK to toss my opinion in.
 
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I'd be cool with those coils being used

My point exactly.

@gilmourD: another good choice.


Personally I believe we have to go with 2 existing coils, 1 43awg and 1 42awg. IMHO the best choices would be, respectively, the 59n and sh6n. They fit the bill in terms of specs and tone. Versatile enough to take almost any magnet.

But the. Again, who am I (besides the guy who has tried over 150 hybrids to date)?

So. Make a new poll, the proper on this time around.
 
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Call me old fashioned, but I'm much less interested in a pickup that doesn't look traditional.
 
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Already doing that, and more. I'm just annoyed by the process of this forum pickup. We (you) seem to go around in circles and that is a waste of time. There's a consensus on what it should be but the focus is on the wrong questions.

Would I get this pickup? Yes. One to try it out cause I'm a sucker for new pups. But would I use it regularly? Nop. I'm happy with my own methods of making a hybrid to nail down a specific tone. There's no one pickup to rule it all, so I'd rather tinker myself. Sometimes I come up with something I really like. Sometimes it's something a customer of mine really likes.

If you go back and check, I'd have to guess that 90% of my posts during the design phase have been "figure out the tone, not the looks." I stand by that. If you say "use these coils", you're limiting the design and tone.
 
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Honestly, if people want something to match the 59/Custom hybrid in the neck so badly, why not the 59/Jazz hybrid that has been around forever? That exists and is very easy to ask for from the Custom Shop. I think it is a better idea to focus on an alternative design for a FORUM pickup though.

I mean if it were ALL me, it wouldn't even be a traditional humbucker, it would be a strat rails design. However, I play ball and let ideas pass even if it wasn't close to what I wanted for the sake of making the thing to begin with, and so that more people would be happy.

Now we are literally arguing about the screws used being a deal breaker. Who knows, it might turn out better than we thought it would be. I mean the Fugly bucker keeps getting brought up, and I wasn't around for it's design, but that looks like it was designed in completely uncharted territory. Nothing is new under the Sun here with the screws. That and I thought the tone desired was pretty clearly defined already and what we are working on with this is about the features the pickup has, like how flexible the pickup can be.
 
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Call me old fashioned, but I'm much less interested in a pickup that doesn't look traditional.
We did that last time with the fuglybucker which I feel was a success. I think this should be a fun collaborative process and getting into disagreements over semantics is contrary to the purpose.
 
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Once the dust settles, it'll be much more clear to the ones really committed to make things happen.

Let the process take its course.

I don't understand... why won't you just fill us in on what's going on with it? Everyone is asking for more info... The form factor vote relies completely on people knowing what the pickup(s) is going to be. Someone's vote will change depending on what the pickup is actually going to be. It doesn't make sense to vote on screw arrangement first when we don't know what the pickup is going to be. We need to know what's going to happen with this second phase... is it a clean slate? Are we going with the 59/custom companion? We need to have at least some idea of what is going to happen.
 
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Let's restart the vote. Two options: "59/C hybrid" and "Blank Slate". And i'm not gonna get the new pup so i have no reason to vote than just for the hell of it.
 
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Dear people of the Forum: as I voluntarily took this job, I'm applying the experience I've had of over fifteen years working for a production-based company, working in the supplier part, teaming-up with the sales dept.

As in all walks of life, for everything there's a very vocal minority and a very large silent majority. In most cases, the vocal minority forges the outcome, and the silent majority is not always is happy with those decisions, so they fluctuate towards the competition, although their products really being quite up to par.

Then the sales go suddenly down and the suits have no idea what hit'em, so they just blame the salesmen!

If you look at the views every thread produces, you'll always see the participants as the "tip of the iceberg", and you just don't have any way to know how the content of the thread, including misinformation, will influence the decision of potential buyers of not only p'ups, but a whole lot of music-making paraphernalia that I can't even scratch the surface by imagining!

Anyway, to the ones that are doubting every passage, the ones that think I have a personal agenda of by all means necessary push through my initial idea of the twelve-screw config, then stop talking and vote ME and MY IDEA DOWN by voting screw/slug. Not really rocket science.

For the record, a neck companion for the '59/Custom was and still is, what this is all about. But, a neck "companion" doesn't necessarily means a "neck version" of the said bridge p'up, and I thought it was a plus to give the extra flexibility of the twelve-screw config, so it'll work not only in with the usual 22-fretter, but finally a neck p'up which will also work on 24-fretters, just by reversing the p'up.

You see, I'm under the impression that most posters don't use the neck p'up much, and many, by own admission, not at all. Also, the same posters play always with gain, so they couldn't care less how a p'up will sound clean.

So, to those posters, *I*, an ex-pro with a thirty+ years of making music as a living, traveling in 46 countries and four continents, having playing most commercial music styles including polka and Vienna-waltzes, but the most extreme varieties of Metal, having recorded over 500 songs in the studio in 16 different countries in three continents, with an actual factual experience telling the statistics of playing with gain makes less than 15% of the playing of a lifetime, I'm gotta be your worst nightmare, as I represent exactly the opposite of what you stand for and live for, isn't it?.

Also, addressing those posters that said that the twelve fillister config made mushing-out the notes by using gain... as that was not my experience, I went to check-out again my notes and talked about it to someone involved in p'up design and manufacturing at the highest level, just to find out that elusive WHY:

A what I thought was a small detail that I've been doing for so long to all p'ups I have in my guitars that didn't really matter to me anymore, actually made all the difference: Once I set the screws to compensate the inherent volume difference among the strings, I CUT THE SCREWS FLUSH WITH THE BASEPLATE.

That's the answer I got from him:

I've never liked two rows of long screws in the neck. The best way I can describe it is the magnetic field is longer, so the attack is "lazy" if that makes sense. So yes, it is more likely to get soft and mushy under gain.

However, in your case, by cutting your screws short you did not experience what the others are saying, and that's exactly why you like it."



I've found an image to illustrate what's being said here: note the magnetic field's deflection towards under the baseplate caused by the screws.

There you have it, folks. That's the source of the difference of opinions, due to different results by what it seemed to be the same process, but it actually was not the same.

Let's see what the outcome of the form factor will be, this time knowing that it won't be affecting that much the possibilities of assigning any voicing, although I've been "warned" by the same person that, in his experience, in the end, the conventional screw/slug will most likely be the best of all form factor choices given to design that new killer neck p'up.

In the next few days I'll be instructing myself to be able to discuss the new p'ups "voicing" in the best possible way, also to answer the questions the might arise.

So people, stay tuned, and vote away! Nothing will be possible without voting.

Yours very truly,
 
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Yeah not buying it. Bebe. Panem et circenses

The issue STILL stands. Without a clear direction on what this pickup is going to be it may have unduly influenced the outcome of the vote. People who may have voted for one voted for the other cause they thought the concept was something else. As far as I can see it this o]vote is still invalid.

It violates the whole other mantra of this pickup that was suppose to be "tone first" and let the tone decide the form factor, there never were

That is a complete misfire.

You still have not addressed the issue that this vote is out of step with the process, There is no logical reason to vote for this before we know what the pickup is going to be and now you are trying to cloud the issue by arguing semantics between the difference in a "companion" pickup and a neck version. That needs to be decided before we worry about what the screws are. If we even EVER worry about what the screws are. You could argue that almost ANY pickup is a "companion" its a BS move.

And really sorry but your CV has little to do with this, Ive met pro muscians that could play circles around people who didnt know a damn thing about gear. Ive met guys who knew tons about gear and had great tone but whose musical resumes went no further than their bedroom.

And for the vote me down malarky. It shouldnt even be done as the vote is invalid. Its based on a bad premise.
 
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