Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Form Factor vote

And really this isnt a vocal minority... There is a fairly large number of people who are participating in this that are asking these same exact questions. It by far isnt just me or Orpheo posing these questions.

 

[LtKojak]

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***a lot of words***

What would you propose, then?

Inquiring minds would like to know. :cool2:

 

[firebirdguy72]

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What would you propose, then?

Inquiring minds would like to know. :cool2:

Isn't it pretty clear? Build the foundation before you build the roof...

 

[Johnny the Kid]

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Isn't it pretty clear? Build the foundation before you build the roof...

Hell, get the walls up before you figure out what paintings are gonna go on them.

I mean it seems like we're jumping the gun a bit (and not the cool kind of gun jumping like in the Ant-Man movie trailer). Whether we choose two hex screw coils, to slug coils, or whatever, shouldn't we have the tone of the pickup before we worry about aesthetics? It's like we're letting a person who only designs cars go build a car. "Leather would look so much better on the seats." "Yes, but before we start building the interior let's get this engine put in."

 

[LtKojak]

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OK. HOW would you like it to be done, specifically?

 

[Johnny the Kid]

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OK. HOW would you like it to be done, specifically?

Please refer to my previous post where I stated that the poll should have two options: 59/C Hybrid neck pickup or blank slate.

 

[LtKojak]

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Please refer to my previous post

I know, Johnny. You and others have made clear statements that will be taken into consideration.

I'm waiting for Edgecrusher to answer.

 

[Fusion1]

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Let's get this going and less squabbles.

 

[KeeperOS]

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Ok, I tried to read this wall of text but ended up mostly skimming the posts. However there seems to be a general sense of going in the wrong order. I tend to agree. In all honestly, I do NOT want to vote for hex or screw or slug and I do NOT want anyone other than the SD Custom Shop to decide for me either.
At the very least, there should be a "Let the SD Custom Shop decide instead of us guys with no clue about which option would result in the TONE we're after" option (well, you could trim it down a little).

Ideally though, I would like us to first answer the question: Are we making a neck version of the 59/Custom or are we making a completely new neck pickup that would still go well with it.

Everything else should come later with TONE being the firt consideration and deciding factor of the questions, not FORM. Leave that part to the pros.
And if we're THAT set on form questions at least have a "Let the SD Custom shop decide" option.

Remember the FuglyBucker!

 

[Fusion1]

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Remember the FuglyBucker!

What about the FUglybucker? Turned out great and I have 2 full sets. Getting to the finished product was challenging but the end result was perfect!

 

[KeeperOS]

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And I also have a set which I love. The reason I said it was twofold.

Firstly, because of aesthetically out-of-the-norm voted specs it did WAY worse than it could/should have had (it sounds amazing after all) and secondly, because when at the only poll that the above "Let SD decide" option was added, it overwhelmingly won over the other options (I honestly don't remember which poll it was but I remember vividly that it won with sth like 80% of the votes).

Simply put, it's one thing to design by committee and an other entirely to have a bunch of guys that know next to nothing about how certain parts of a pickup's design affect its' tone, make decisions about them.

LEAVE IT TO THE PROS!

 

[Fusion1]

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Pretty sure it was the Forum itself that decided early on the rail and Parallel Axis poles to be used. I applauded that decision then and also now as I love the way the Fugly Bucker looks.

 

[Fusion1]

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Simply put, it's one thing to design by committee and an other entirely to have a bunch of guys that know next to nothing about how certain parts of a pickup's design affect its' tone, make decisions about them.

LEAVE IT TO THE PROS!

That statement is patently false. To think the guys on this forum "know next to nothing about how certain parts of a pickup's design affect it's tone" is pretty ignorant considering the original Custom Custom Custom was born from the forum as well as the Hybrid 59/Custom. There is a wealth of knowledge from everyone in the forum (especially the ones that do mod their pickups making hybrids and changing magnets and poles). I do like the collaborative effort of the forum voting for aspects and then ultimately it is left to the pros @ Seymour Duncan to work their magic.

 

[Falloffthebonetone]

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I could've SWORN, again, that the tone was already decided upon and described by Kojack in the first mentioning of it... Nobody seems to be arguing about what he said there.

"In the lows you should be clearly hearing the 'sound of the wood', just without the big "thunk" present on the '59n; plenty of definition on the mids, with a sharp but not overbearing pick attack a la Jazz neck, with plenty of "air" and "chime" when the presence control on the amp is engaged. With this voicing, just by using the tone control you can play modern Jazz without losing articulation or definition with complex chords, rolling the tone control down, and at the same time to cut through the mix with soaring leads or complex riffing with a fair amount of gain, never losing he required definition and/or articulation with the tone control full-up.

This should give kinda "universal appeal", as you can play just about any kind of music with'em, just by tweakings magnets. I can imagine this neck p'up will sound great with A2, A3, A4 and a short A5, depending on musical context.


Woody lows, clean and almost single coil like top end, punchier midrange that focuses itself more when under gain and when the tone control is rolled back. I like it and nobody has taken issue with it so far because all anyone is talking about is the damn screws.

And again, if people are so desperately clamoring for a 59/c neck version then what is wrong with ordering a 59/jazz from the custom shop?

If this is a forum pickup then it should strive to be a little different from what is typical.

It seemed to me like we have the foundation and house done and we were voting on the material to make the roof, to keep up with the analogy.

If this is a poll that is going to have to be done again, then the only suggestion I have is to make it have 3 options:
Screw/slug
Screw/screw
Slug/slug
Then let the people vote. Lets say screw/slug wins this because it has more votes than the others, but the others have a greater combined total, meaning that the general people voting see 2 screw coils as better but then they get divided by the options. If the option was simply screw/screw, then people could change what they have or even vote between the styles with hex poles and such. Meanwhile if the screw/slug form sticks then there is no way to get the options that other people like with the exception of the last vote on this poll, the hex/slug.

 

[Falloffthebonetone]

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That statement is patently false. To think the guys on this forum "know next to nothing about how certain parts of a pickup's design affect it's tone" is pretty ignorant considering the original Custom Custom Custom was born from the forum as well as the Hybrid 59/Custom. There is a wealth of knowledge from everyone in the forum (especially the ones that do mod their pickups making hybrids and changing magnets and poles). I do like the collaborative effort of the forum voting for aspects and then ultimately it is left to the pros @ Seymour Duncan to work their magic.

By Custom Custom Custom you mean the Custom 8 right? I believe the Custom 5 was born here also.

 

[Fusion1]

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Custom Custom Custom is the Custom 5 just not the SH-5 which is the original Custom. Yeah I forgot the Custom 8 was born here but that's not an official production pickup but I'm sure it had a bit to do with SD ultimately releasing the Alternative 8 not too much after the Custom 8 was all the rage here.

By Custom Custom Custom you mean the Custom 8 right? I believe the Custom 5 was born here also.

 

[KeeperOS]

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There's a difference between two or three tinkerers coming up with a cool idea versus the sum of the members here deciding on construction where 4/5ths of which don't know enough about it to warrant making said decisions.
Granted we do know a heckova lot more than the average player but still don't know jack when compared to the CS, hence why we have them make us said pickup instead of doing it ourselves.

Also, the Fugly was by far the weakest member of the SDUGF pickups sales-wise BECAUSE of the blade-PA construction that you and I both so liked. So yeah, sometimes some ideas work fine yet fail for all the wrong reasons, nevertheless said reasons should be taken into account as well...

 

[Edgecrusher]

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I know, Johnny. You and others have made clear statements that will be taken into consideration.

I'm waiting for Edgecrusher to answer.

At this point we need to know what pickup we are actually voting for.

Is this a continuation of Darkmatters previous efforts? If so the idea was arguably done, some felt it was ready as is some didnt.

Is this the new "blank" slate as people have said and if so what is the blank slate by that I mean what exactly is its intended target.



If you ask me just finishing up the last push that was needed to finish what dark matter had started would be the best way to finish this.

The idea of the 59/C neck version is a sound idea, it has backing of more than a few and the idea is pretty much hammered out.

Some people wanted this description to be sent to the custom shop...(dont forget this was what was voted on and won by a large margin)

"The hybrid concept is based on getting a good hybrid pickup in the neck position to pair with the 59/Custom. It will be made as a original set, the voicing starts with the 59/Custom but will have more upper mid focus, more controlled bass, cleaner, clearer. It will still have the hybrid complexity. Whether it will be made with 2 different wire gauges, or just have mismatched coils is yet to be determined. "

Some wanted a 7th vote to determine if we should have it use an existing 59N coil and a new custom neck coil or if we wanted it to be a completely new venture.

For my suggestion I wouldnt bother with the 7th vote i would leave it up to MJ to decide. If she wants to use existing coils she can if she wants to use new she can. The tone target is whats important.

The way I see it this is the shortest and simplest way to get this done and not draw this out squabbling over minutia.

 

[Edgecrusher]

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And again, if people are so desperately clamoring for a 59/c neck version then what is wrong with ordering a 59/jazz from the custom shop?

Cause its not a actual 59/C neck pickup? Its a 59/jazz, no where has the jazz ever been the official neck pickup for the custom.

The argument that "well just order what you want from the custom shop" is a cop out, the same can be said for any pickup. I can tell you if you want double screws so bad then just order them from the custom shop. So what? it doesnt make it a valid or even sound argument as ANYTHING can be ordered from the custom shop.

 

[Falloffthebonetone]

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Cause its not a actual 59/C neck pickup? Its a 59/jazz, no where has the jazz ever been the official neck pickup for the custom.

Oh, an official neck pickup for the Custom family exists? Didn't know...

The 59/c has a hybrid counterpart for the neck position already in mind, so when I suggest that people just order it, it is in that what they want already clearly exists in form and function. The forum pickup? Not yet.

So basically an underwound 59/Custom hybrid is what it is going to be? That would be different from the 59/Jazz. Frankly I think both the 59/Jazz and this pickup should be production models in this case since they are based off existing marketed pickups and not created from the ground up. Nothing that "Custom Shop" about it anymore. Either 2 existing coils paired or a tweak to an existing model.