Jb?

looking for a humbucker for 80's hard rock stuff like Motley Crue, Poison, GNR.......and other big hair stuff.

would a JB be the best way to go?
I know its "the" 80's rock pup
 
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JB does 80s hard rock/metal easily.
I'd say the JB covers a hell of a lot of ground.
It even does modern metal if you put it through the right rig.
 
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Ya im really into big hair stuff right now. like winger, britny fox, poison, def leppard. Will the JB cover those?

Then the JB is the one you want, unless you're putting it into the Les Paul thats in your avatar. The JB is great in the right guitar. It is my opinion the JB kills in an alder bodied strat type guitar. Put it in a Les Paul and it doesn't sound so good, again, my opinion. I use a Duncan Distortion in Les Paul/PRS types......this works for me.

YMMV.......
 
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My opinion is that the JB is a Jazz/Blues pickup, definitely NOT an 80's shred pickup, For those purposes, check out the Distortion, Invader and Full Shred, they ooze 80's rock.

On the Dimarzio side, the PAF-Pro is as 80's as you can get.
 
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My opinion is that the JB is a Jazz/Blues pickup, definitely NOT an 80's shred pickup, For those purposes, check out the Distortion, Invader and Full Shred, they ooze 80's rock.

On the Dimarzio side, the PAF-Pro is as 80's as you can get.

Guhh??? You're kidding, right?
 
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My opinion is that the JB is a Jazz/Blues pickup, definitely NOT an 80's shred pickup, For those purposes, check out the Distortion, Invader and Full Shred, they ooze 80's rock.

On the Dimarzio side, the PAF-Pro is as 80's as you can get.

agreed on PAF Pro

but be careful with generalizations. jazz and blues players do not use similar gear or go for (remotely) similar tones. blues and classic rock, yes.

and granted, it is your opinion so that's cool, but a high output 16.5K pickup with screaming mids is far from the typical PAF used for blues or blues rock. it may not work for your setup, but it did work for countless 80s hard rock bands - kinda tough to ignore that (I won't bother with a list - we all know at least half of them by now). also keep in mind that Seymour (reportedly) uses an A2 JB.

I do agree on the Distortion, especially given that a JB with a regular ceramic mag is d#$% near identical to a DD.
 
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Nope. I play in an 80's rock/metal/glam band and the JB (with extensive testing) just doesn't cut it for this type of music. But very good for Jazz/Blues as its name implies (listen to Seymour, he's got great tone going with the JB).

i thought that(regaurding the pickup itself) jb stood for jeff beck
 
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You are correct, I didn't mean to generalize genres, I was just citing the name "JB" which comes from Jazz/Blues.

agreed on PAF Pro

but be careful with generalizations. jazz and blues players do not use similar gear or go for (remotely) similar tones. blues and classic rock, yes.

and granted, it is your opinion so that's cool, but a high output 16.5K pickup with screaming mids is far from the typical PAF used for blues or blues rock.

I do agree on the Distortion, especially given that a JB with a regular ceramic mag is d#$% near identical to a DD.
 
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My 80s Kramer Pacer and Baretta came with JBs as did a million other Kramers and Charvels of the Era. The JB IS THE 80s pickup....

Now, others will take you there... I have a Custom 8 in my Kramer Focus 6K and it has that 80s "honk" down perfect!!
 
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I guess we need to go over the JB naming thing again. It's like someone saying that the '78/EVH model was never meant to imply Eddie Van Halen, and was always about simply creating evenly-voiced harmonics.

Originally: JB = Jeff Beck, JM = John Milner
Changed: JB = Jazz/Blues, JM = Jazz Model

They were never made to have anything to do with Jazz, they were just hot-rodded pickups made for Jeff Beck's guitar. The names they were given are backronyms -- names picked to fit the abbreviation, and not the other way around. Nobody would actually make a 16.4k A5 pickup for Jazz....

Seymour Duncan's JB Model still going strong at 30.

IN 1974 A 20-SOMETHING American blues American Blues were a 1960s Texas-based garage band who played a psychedelic style of blues rock music influenced by the 13th Floor Elevators. They are most famous for including two future members of the band ZZ Top in their ranks, Dusty Hill and Frank Beard. guitarist named Seymour W. Duncan Seymour W. Duncan is a guitarist and luthier best known for starting the Seymour Duncan company, was burning it up in London's bars and clubs by night. During days, he performed guitar repair for Ivor Arbiter at the Fender Sound House on Tottenham Court Road Tottenham Court Road is a road in Central London, England, running from St Giles' Circus (the junction of Oxford Street and Charing Cross Road) north to Euston Road, near the border of the City of Westminster and the London Borough of Camden. It was during those days that Seymour struck up a friendship with his all-time guitar hero, Jeff Beck.

After Jeff's assistant sent his favorite Les Paul to a shady repairman who switched out the P.A.F.'s for newer, squealing pickups, Jeff came to Seymour for help and advice. Seymour repaired Jeff's Les Paul, and then set about creating a special guitar for Jeff with a pair of pickups that would capture Jeff's amazing ability. The result was a guitar that Seymour gave to Jeff as a gift. The body and neck were clearly a Telecaster, but the pickups were two rewound humbuckers made from broken P.A.F.s Seymour rescued from a destroyed Flying V previously owned by Lonnie Mack. Seymour called the guitar a "Tele-Gib," and nicknamed the bridge pickup "JB" and the neck pickup "JM," after the hot rod racer, "John Milner," in the classic film American Graffiti. (Eventually, "JM" would change to "Jazz Model," which is what it's called today.) Jeff used the Tele-Gib on his amazing 1975 release, Blow By Blow, where it gained notoriety for the haunting volume swells heard on "Cause We Ended As Lovers," which Jeff dedicated to Roy Buchanan.

The JB bridge pickup became very popular very quickly. Soon, many of England's top guitarists, including more than a few legendary names, sought out Seymour's "JB Mod" for their guitars. They found that the JB gave increased output (16.4K ohms) without sounding harsh or dark like other high-output pick-ups of the mid-'70s owing to special Alnico magnet. When Seymour returned to the USA the next year, his reputation as a pickup designer and the JB's reputation as a great pickup preceded him. And the rest was history.

As for the JB being inappropriate for metal and hard rock, many of the best hard rock and metal players, 80's and more modern, would disagree with you on that. The JB has always been the standard passive bridge pickup in high-end Jacksons, for example, and that's part of their sound. The same with ESP, Charvel, Kramer, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSNuIzw9VfU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtsD2tBPZgo

Or for a more modern player / high-gain example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBRgCQmfx-U
 
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Then the JB is the one you want, unless you're putting it into the Les Paul thats in your avatar. The JB is great in the right guitar. It is my opinion the JB kills in an alder bodied strat type guitar. Put it in a Les Paul and it doesn't sound so good, again, my opinion. I use a Duncan Distortion in Les Paul/PRS types......this works for me.

YMMV.......

nope, not for my LP. For either my Fender Fat Strat or a just got a CC for my kramer, but if I dont like the it Im thinking about the JB as a fall back
 
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I knew this story, but does JB stand for Jazz/Blues or not?
It was changed from Jeff Beck to Jazz/Blues, as you wrote, so the official name is Jazz/Blues. I don't even know or even care who Jeff Beck is. Not my thing at all.

About Jackson using JBs, I know that also and I think it's a pity they use such a generic pickup in all their models. They certainly have a discount when buying heaps of sets from Seymour and I treat those Duncans as "stock pickups" which means I swap them ASAP. Jackson keeps putting JB in those because "that's the world's most popular humbucker" not because they think it sounds good. Jackson should select their Duncan pickups according to the model, not according to the popularity of the pickup. In the late 90's they had a model with a Screamin Demon, and now they have the Warrior with a Full Shred neck and Invader bridge. Now THAT'S a pickup choice, not your generic "I'm gonna swap it" JB thing.

Add to this the fact that most people buying high-end Jacksons will change the stock Duncans (at least the JB) makes it clear that they just put these in for the "name". "Hey dude, it's got a Duncan JB in it, and everyone says the JB is good". Fact is that the JB is NOT for everyone and that no menufacturer can please everyone with their choice of pickups. But to imply that Jackson use the JB because it's 80's and it has good tone is a stretch. I swapped the one in my Jackson after 1 hour of playing and I play 80's rock/metal/shred.

Same goes with Dimarzio and Ibanez, once upon a time, they used to put Tone-Zones in everything and many diagreed and preferred another Dimarzio.

It all comes down that I disagree with your causal relationship between "Jackson and Charvel and X manufacturer uses the JB and they make shred guitars so the JB is a shred pickup" I don't buy that. Manufacturers put whatever Duncans they can have cheap and will help them selll guitars.

I guess we need to go over the JB naming thing again. It's like someone saying that the '78/EVH model was never meant to imply Eddie Van Halen, and was always about simply creating evenly-voiced harmonics.

Originally: JB = Jeff Beck, JM = John Milner
Changed: JB = Jazz/Blues, JM = Jazz Model

They were never made to have anything to do with Jazz, they were just hot-rodded pickups made for Jeff Beck's guitar. The names they were given are backronyms -- names picked to fit the abbreviation, and not the other way around. Nobody would actually make a 16.4k A5 pickup for Jazz....

As for the JB being inappropriate for metal and hard rock, many of the best hard rock and metal players, 80's and more modern, would disagree with you on that. The JB has always been the standard passive bridge pickup in high-end Jacksons, for example, and that's part of their sound. The same with ESP, Charvel, Kramer, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSNuIzw9VfU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtsD2tBPZgo

Or for a more modern player / high-gain example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBRgCQmfx-U
 
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looking for a humbucker for 80's hard rock stuff like Motley Crue, Poison, GNR.......and other big hair stuff.

would a JB be the best way to go?
I know its "the" 80's rock pup

Yep. Definitely. Great Pup. I have it in two out of three of my Strats. The Junior model that is. I had the full size in one of them for a while but changed it out for a Junior, since that model seems to work for me better.
 
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jazz and blues players do not use similar gear or go for (remotely) similar tones. blues and classic rock, yes...granted, it is your opinion so that's cool, but a high output 16.5K pickup with screaming mids is far from the typical PAF used for blues or blues rock.

As a blues/classic rock player who's tried several JB's in several kinds of guitars, they don't have the tones I'm looking for. I sold my JB's (before I was into magnet swapping).

I have a majority of PAF PU's. The hottest bridge PU's I use are in the 14K ohm range, like C5's & 498T's, and they don't have the infamous JB spike.
 
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