Mexican made Fender

[GilmourD]

Re: Mexican made Fender

Sorry DreX, MIA is MIA. Your little conspiracy theory is wrong.

It's DreX. I've been ignoring him for a LONG time. He has no clue what he's talking about and loves to prove it often. Just ignore him, too.

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[ehdwuld]

Re: Mexican made Fender

I think I read on wiki that all the bodies are painted in Mexico

This must be where the confusion is

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[GilmourD]

Re: Mexican made Fender

I think I read on wiki that all the bodies are painted in Mexico

This must be where the confusion is

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Wikipedia is full of mistruths. I've found articles which were correct and the truth subsequently edited into lies. It's really strange.

From what I recall, there was a point where some things were TEMPORARILY done in Mexico while Fender was upgrading the factory in Corona. I know Fender set up a new spray booth a few years ago to legally spray nitro.

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[Powdered Toast Man]

Re: Mexican made Fender

Making some != making all. Depending on production needs, I could see the sharing resources with the Mexican plant. If the wood is sourced in the US, routed in Mexico, and sent back to the US, Fender could claim that it constitutes a small enoug portion of the final product to still declare it "Made in the USA". Supposedly MIM necks are or were made in the US and sent to California, so I don't see why it can't work both ways. All I'm saying is the maching marks on my MIA and MIM Fenders look substantially similar, and substantially different from my MIJ's, but that can also be due to shared manufacturing procedures, you be the judge.

So you're telling me that the 20 year Fender employee who explained each step of the manufacturing process while showing it to me for all their American made guitars lied to my face based on your assumption that the CNC router points look the same on two different guitars you own? Yeah ok. I added emphasis to you argument to point out what's wrong with it. Your position is based entirely on assumptions.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Mexican made Fender

Wikipedia is full of mistruths. I've found articles which were correct and the truth subsequently edited into lies. It's really strange.

From what I recall, there was a point where some things were TEMPORARILY done in Mexico while Fender was upgrading the factory in Corona. I know Fender set up a new spray booth a few years ago to legally spray nitro.

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"The problem with the internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

In college we were not allowed to use Wikipedia as a source and on all of our major papers could only use no more than 1/4th from the internet (actually had to read and look up the sources.) Wikipedia is cool but it is not reliable.

 

[Securb]

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Patently false information. How do I know? I went to Corona, CA and took the Fender factory tour. They showed us the piles of body and neck blanks. Then showed us the CNC machines routing them in front of our eyes. I even watched the ladies drilling the holes in American Standard bridge plates. MIA means MIA. About the only thing on the guitars they don't make in house are the tuning machines.

I just got off the phone with a friend from Fender. He confirms PTM is 100% correct. He stated there are very strict laws in place from the FTC when stating the country of origin of a product. MIA means MIA

 

[GoldenVulture]

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"The problem with the internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

:chairfall

Hey Drex, have you got any pics of these guitars of yours ?

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Mexican made Fender

I just got off the phone with a friend from Fender. He confirms PTM is 100% correct. He stated there are very strict laws in place from the FTC when stating the country of origin of a product. MIA means MIA

Note the difference between made and assembled...some companies in America assemble parts made in other countries while others manufacture and assemble in America. The laws are pretty strict on this like like Securb pointed out.

Take my Dodge Charger for example, it is an "American Car"; however, the paperwork on origin lists Mexico and Canada along with the US as countries of Manufacture and I believe the Chargers are assembled in Ontario. So to say my Charger is American is correct–American brand but to say Made In America would be incorrect and the Charger indeed does not say that (it lists out percentage wise countries of origin.)

 

[DreX]

Re: Mexican made Fender

So you're telling me that the 20 year Fender employee who explained each step of the manufacturing process while showing it to me for all their American made guitars lied to my face based on your assumption that the CNC router points look the same on two different guitars you own? Yeah ok. I added emphasis to you argument to point out what's wrong with it. Your position is based entirely on assumptions.

You're assuming that a factory tour is going to be 100% representative of the truth, and in no way manipulated to present the company in the best possible light.

 

[DreX]

Re: Mexican made Fender

I just got off the phone with a friend from Fender. He confirms PTM is 100% correct. He stated there are very strict laws in place from the FTC when stating the country of origin of a product. MIA means MIA

There are exceptions, it's an easy read: http://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/complying-made-usa-standard If a small enough amount of the production process is foreign, it can still be called "Made in USA", and it largely works on the honor system ("good faith"), so you're also taking their word for it.

 

[DreX]

Re: Mexican made Fender

I added emphasis to you argument to point out what's wrong with it. Your position is based entirely on assumptions.

BTW, my position is that it wouldn't surprise me if some MIA routing was done in Mexico, and that's a true statement, I wouldn't be surprised. I've never claimed to know for a fact that they are. Your inference that this is my position is what is actually false. It's not as if I've infiltrated the Fender plant and spied on them.

 

[DreX]

Re: Mexican made Fender

It's DreX. I've been ignoring him for a LONG time. He has no clue what he's talking about and loves to prove it often. Just ignore him, too.

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read: "a lot of forum members don't want to consider that their expensive guitars might be a waste of money."

 

[Detroitblues]

Re: Mexican made Fender

I'd just say the differences from MIA and MIM is 18 letters in the alphabet, 1 fret, and few hundred miles.

 

[voggin]

Re: Mexican made Fender

You're assuming that a factory tour is going to be 100% representative of the truth, and in no way manipulated to present the company in the best possible light.

How can we even be sure it WAS a factory at all? Maybe it was an elaborate stage set. Or the holodeck from Star Trek. Maybe the people taking the tour were drugged or hypnotized. I wouldn't put anything past Fender (if that is the company's real name.)

 

[Snake Aces]

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How can we even be sure it WAS a factory at all? Maybe it was an elaborate stage set. Or the holodeck from Star Trek. Maybe the people taking the tour were drugged or hypnotized. I wouldn't put anything past Fender (if that is the company's real name.)

Yeah, who knows what's really going on behind the scenes man. Sounds like a curtain show operation. Everybody has smiles out front while they are secretly shipping "MIM" guitars by the truckload to put in the workers hands in America. That must be why the guitars that are labeled "MIA" cost more, you gotta pay for the shipping from Mexico to Cali man.

 

[voggin]

Re: Mexican made Fender

Yeah, who knows what's really going on behind the scenes man. Sounds like a curtain show operation. Everybody has smiles out front while they are secretly shipping "MIM" guitars by the truckload to put in the workers hands in America. That must be why the guitars that are labeled "MIA" cost more, you gotta pay for the shipping from Mexico to Cali man.

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[ehdwuld]

Re: Mexican made Fender

I think I read the same article drex did

Said there was a fire in the factory in Mexico
And some of the standards were made in America for a short period of time in the 90's

And that all of the painting was in Mexico
But they probably have changed much of that since the article was written


I don't believe any of the MIA. bodies were ever cut shaped or routed in Mexico
But some fine standing when prepping for paint may have happened at some point across the border

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[DreX]

Re: Mexican made Fender

How can we even be sure it WAS a factory at all? Maybe it was an elaborate stage set. Or the holodeck from Star Trek. Maybe the people taking the tour were drugged or hypnotized. I wouldn't put anything past Fender (if that is the company's real name.)

When you don't have something useful to contribute, you've always got good ol' ad absurdum.

 

[ExplorersRock]

Re: Mexican made Fender

DreX: ruining threads since November 2013



And for the record, I don't own an MIA Fender. I had two: one got returned, the other sold. The MIMs are keepers. But according to the numerous people I know who either do or have worked at Fender, PTM is correct. I suppose you have some proof to your slanderous claims about FMIC other than your own suspicion?

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: Mexican made Fender

When you don't have something useful to contribute, you've always got good ol' ad absurdum.

Here we go again with the DreX "something useful to contribute" posts.