NGD: American Standard Strat!

[Johnny the Kid]

Re: NGD: American Standard Strat!

It is a Stratocaster, it was probably made in the USA by someone who put it together from various components. If it plays and sounds as good as the owner says then this builder probably took time and care putting it together. It could be that more skill and care was invested in it than Fender puts into one of it's $2,000 quadruple marked up guitars. It may not have the pedigree to command a high resale value but if it was bought to play, not as investment or show piece then $250 could very well be a bargin.

The issue wasn't whether or not it was a good value for the money or anything. This issue was that it was clearly a forgery of a Fender Strat (proven when treyhaislip brought up a guitar sold from The Music Zoo with the same serial number and very different graining on the headstock). I also doubt that more skill and care was invested in Nathan's new purchase than a Fender MIA Strat.

 

[Will S-T]

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C'mon folks, how many times do we have to go through this trolling crap?
Can the Admins please show some some leardership and nuke this rubbish.

 

[kramersteen]

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C'mon folks, how many times do we have to go through this trolling crap?
Can the Admins please show some some leardership and nuke this rubbish.

Nathan is an only child i think he loves this sort of ''big brother'' attention.

 

[devastone]

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The Music Zoo sold a 2010 Fender American Standard Strat with the same serial number.

This is the headstock of the authentic Fender Strat:

and this is the headstock of Nathan's counterfeit Strat:

My bad, I didn't look closely enough, I'm with you now, pretty amazing catch on your part!

 

[benji657]

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C'mon folks, how many times do we have to go through this trolling crap?
Can the Admins please show some some leardership and nuke this rubbish.

can't believe this...$250 Fender USA, 71' strat...The more things change the more they stay the same eh?

debate should have ended even way before the Music Zoo serial number.

 

[Silence Kid]

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There's not really a 'debate,' it's pretty clear what's occurred

If there's anyone who can sniff out the one cheap Chinese bootleg guitar good enough to pay $250 for it's obviously OP. Hell, as long as he's happy, I just hope he won't sell it and try to pass it off...

 

[RogerMexiko]

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There's not really a 'debate,' it's pretty clear what's occurred

If there's anyone who can sniff out the one cheap Chinese bootleg guitar good enough to pay $250 for it's obviously OP. Hell, as long as he's happy, I just hope he won't sell it and try to pass it off...

 

[Silence Kid]

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I'm about to grab a beer about ten minutes from where that factory used to be; I might even take a detour by the present G&L factory like a creepy ex boyfriend. I also work down the street from Fender's old factory in Brea (think they only made amps there.) Between those, Rickenbacker and others, lots of music history (and present and future) local to me Other than that, not sure how the video applies, but it is pretty cool.

 

[RogerMexiko]

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Help in identifying guitar please - -

 

[RogerMexiko]

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The issue wasn't whether or not it was a good value for the money or anything. This issue was that it was clearly a forgery of a Fender Strat (proven when treyhaislip brought up a guitar sold from The Music Zoo with the same serial number and very different graining on the headstock). I also doubt that more skill and care was invested in Nathan's new purchase than a Fender MIA Strat.

appeared to me there were multiple issues not a "the" issue. The owner got slammed by several posts and his responses seemed consistently tjat he liked how The guitar played and sounded, not contesting it's being something other than a USA built guitar.
Agreed that as usual there wws the tangential issue beat to death regarding forgery: seemed a bit redundant considering previous lengthy discussions on the Chinese forgeries.
I wonder how much skill and care go into a MIA guitar? Talking to Chuck the music store guy he tells be a high percentage of both Fender and Gibson MIA guitars are substandard and he sends them off to other stores as fast as he can.

 

[Silence Kid]

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I imagine a lot of people were turned off by Strats in general after playing cheap copies, or things like (especially older) Affinities and Bullets, which tended to feel like cheap rubbish to even my once un-calloused fourteen year old hands. That is a sentiment that grew with me, rather than something I grew out of.

I own a particularly poor copy China Strat; every screw on it was crooked or cross-threaded, the tuner holes were drilled at random, and the trem claw was grounded by someone having punched a hole into the paper-thin wood in the cavity with a screwdriver; not to mention other routing irregularities, flat spots on the radius end edges, gouged in the neck, splinters, etc.

Are they all like that? Not by a long shot. At a certain tier, China/Indonesia guitars are great. But most people have experienced the lower tier, where you'd have to be blind not to see where the corners were cut vs. a US, Japan, Mexico guitar (which aren't perfect either, but are seldom just garbage, almost never to the degree that many of the China copies can be, bespoke customs excluded in most respects.)

That leaves me wondering the odds that a random bootleg Strat someone found or pieced together to trick a poor kid is really as good as he wants to believe it is. Hey, of he likes it, lesson learned, hope he does enjoy it as on a certain level I like te above Strat copy of mine as well. But no illusions to this being a great occurrence.

 

[El Dunco]

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I'm curious as to what his frame of reference is for this.

it doesn't feel cheap like a fake would. so I'm still thinking it's a real American standard.

 

[Myaccount876]

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Kind of bummed I missed most of this. Haven't read anything past the first post yet.

That's another fake. Quit being so gullible - "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." The 12th fret inlays are too far apart - you won't see that on *any* Fender, American standards do not come with two string trees, and there isn't a single Fender out there where the truss rod opening at the neck is the plain maple (it always has either the plastic on MIMs or walnut on Americans). I'm going to take an educated guess here and say you'll still try to claim you bought an authentic American standard. You got duped (again).

EDIT: Oh enough with the '71 strat already. The military wouldn't be such a bad idea - you'd be forced to quit pathologically lying.

 

[El Dunco]

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He probably could have showed us some photos of it in the first place to confirm it's authenticity before paying money for it and avoided this mess in the first place, no?

 

[kramersteen]

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He probably could have showed us some photos of it in the first place to confirm it's authenticity before paying money for it and avoided this mess in the first place, no?

Nathan cares not for authenticity.

 

[El Dunco]

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Nathan cares not for authenticity.

Yeah nah man. I'm just too real to even be bothered "authenticitness" or whatever man. Some people just can't handle that.

 

[Hank-]

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I just got burned on the deal of the '71. Previous owner was being a dick by saying I should train like him in order to receive said guitar, and he was talking literal military training. Guy seemed deranged like that. So i'm not getting the guitar unless he has a change of heart.


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I guess he took Jimi Hendrix being in military a little too seriously. But, hey, could it be that 70's strat is actually one of stolen/lost Hendrix guitars? The guy is deranged right? Ton of possibilities there :33:

You should take some normal martial arts training for sometime though & try to trick him into believing you deserve that strat from him. :scratchch :sword:

 

[Johnny the Kid]

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appeared to me there were multiple issues not a "the" issue. The owner got slammed by several posts and his responses seemed consistently tjat he liked how The guitar played and sounded, not contesting it's being something other than a USA built guitar.
Agreed that as usual there wws the tangential issue beat to death regarding forgery: seemed a bit redundant considering previous lengthy discussions on the Chinese forgeries.
I wonder how much skill and care go into a MIA guitar? Talking to Chuck the music store guy he tells be a high percentage of both Fender and Gibson MIA guitars are substandard and he sends them off to other stores as fast as he can.

Yes the owner did say that he liked how the guitar played and at the end of the day, that's what matter most. However, Nathan continued to insist that he bought a real made in America guitar when it's clear that he didn't. The finding of the real guitar bearing the same serial number was the nail in the coffin. We don't do this to slam Nathan. To the contrary, several pointed out that Nathan paid $100 too much for that instrument. These are supposed to be lessons to teach the OP.

As to the "skill and care on an MIA instrument" I will say that "Chuck the music store guy" is not a very reliable source, until you provide some concrete info. Where does this "Chuck" work? In what ways are the instruments sub standard? The burden of proof is on the one making the accusations, in this case that MIA instruments are very often less than standard.