no longer a Bogner Fan

[B2D]

Re: no longer a Bogner Fan

I must admit I'm having a good laugh at this thread from people saying that Bogners are buzzy, grainy, etc. No Bogner I've ever tried, including my Ecstasy 101B, has ever sounded buzzy or grainy.

The only Peaveys I've tried that were buzzy or grainy needed a tube change for fresh or better tubes to begin with.

 

[bancika]

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Funnily enough, I've seen people slagging Mesa for apparently ripping off the SLO design to create the Dual Rectifier. Don't know how true that is though.

Yes, it is. If you compare schematics you'll see that main signal path is almost identical between them. DR has some fancy switching and more options, but it's built on the top of SLO.

 

[Hot _Grits]

Re: no longer a Bogner Fan

Funnily enough, I've seen people slagging Mesa for apparently ripping off the SLO design to create the Dual Rectifier. Don't know how true that is though.

There are similarities.

The mk2C - SLO thing isn't so much about taking the boogie and modding it. The SLO is quite a different beast. But that was Mike's inspiration.

 

[Rowan]

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When I hit the studio a few months ago, I had a choice of amps. I got to hear my 5150 next to a Splawn and Bogner. The bogner was a buzz machine, a mess of tone, grainy, just awful. And this is compared to a 5150! The Splawn won by the way.

Kick ass pic. Were you able to crank each amp to a fairly loud level?

 

[Dirtbagg]

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You know, a certain forum bro or three on this board play in a band with a song called "Boogie Man".

The names gets my approval.

I can atest to that.

 

[Hot _Grits]

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Kick ass pic. Were you able to crank each amp to a fairly loud level?

I was thinking a similar thing. The Uber opens up nicely around 6-7 on the master, which is a hell of a lot louder than the average 5150/dual rec users I encounter like to run their amps.

Personally I'd pick the Splawn out of that lot too. But I'd pick an XTC over a Splawn if given the choice for recording.

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

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Modern hype amps
Hah take that

 

[xxxplorer]

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That was a cool picture SpaceShipOne... I would have picked out the Peavey classic 50 or 100 (can't see!). I remember I was at a pawn shop years ago and LOVED a classic 30 I played through! Shoulda bought it but at the time I went home and convinced my self that my 5150II was better... sold the 5150II and now play an old Marshall JCM800! Kinda similar really to that classic 30... that is what started it!

 

[Destructone]

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There's only one solution to all of this: GET AN ORANGE!

Orange Rockerverbs are probably the most underrated amps for metal (yes, I said METAL) today.

 

[That90'sGuy]

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You know, the beautiful thing I like about my Bogner so much is that it's not harsh, sounds good at lower volumes and just plain sounds good. There's nothing fancy or flashy about the Shiva, it's a 2 channel amp that has a sweet, kinda compressed vibe that's just easy and fun to play. I spent a few hours jamming on it tonight and I know there are probably a million amps out there that have more gain, easier lead tones, a more open vibe, but my Shiva just fits the sound in my head. I used to coat it with various pedals to try and make it as versatile as can be and now I just like plugging in, adjusting my tones with my volume knob and pick attack and just have fun with it.

Nobody should buy anything based on hype. Bogners have their own thing going on that probably a lot of folks won't even like, but if you do like the tone, just stop looking because there aren't other amps that have that kinda feel to 'em.

The modern Orange amps are probably the closest things I've played to Bogners, but they do have a fizzier kinda vibe to them.

 

[NecroPolo]

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As far as high gain tube guitar amps go, in the cold light of harsh reality, not much can compare to a good Peavey. I mean for actual practical considerations - good tone, reliability and consistency, and price.

You can beat the tone if you want to pay 3* as much and sacrifice the reliability/consistency.

You can beat the price if you sacrifice tone, reliability and consistency.

You cannot beat the reliability and consistency for any price.

Laney

 

[dystrust]

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I recall many years ago when I would talk shop with other guitarists, we would agree that the ultimate two channel amp would have a Fender clean channel like a real good black face, with reverb, and the dirty channel that was like the best Marshall. Lot's of amps have claimed this over the years, but not many, if any, have achieved this.

One day I enccountered an amp that did this, and it was a Bogner. I don't recall which one and I couldn't afford it, but really it's a remarkable accomplishment.

I can't be sure we're talking about the same amp, but that is exactly how I'd describe a Shiva.

 

[That90'sGuy]

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I can't be sure we're talking about the same amp, but that is exactly how I'd describe a Shiva.

The strange thing is that I've heard plenty of people make comparisons like that before with the Shiva and as an owner, I just don't get it. It's not just here, about 95% of the people on the Gear Page throw around terms like Marshall and Fender about every single boutique amp there.

If you like Fender, get a Fender because the Shiva's cleans, while they do have a nice sparkle, are not as open sounding as Fenders (and I own a '70 SF Vibrolux Reverb). There is an inherent compression to it that Fenders definitely do not have and they do feel different (the Bogner Shiva has a more sluggish, relaxed vibe). Fenders break up a lot sweeter than my Shiva too, but that's ok for the applications I use it for. The overdrive is a refined Marshall. It's not super gainy like a JCM 900 or JVM or more modern Marshall, it's more like a plexi with a little extra kick and a smoother topend. Marshalls can get a bit fizzy on the topend and nasally and the Shiva is different in that regard. The saturation has a different vibe to it that I take to.

The problem most people have with Bogners is that there is all this hype that they're this amp and that amp all in one and people need to realize that they're their own beast. Only then, when folks listen to Bogner amps for their own unique tone, will they understand what they're all about. People misinterpret amps, spread the word around and when folks actually try the stuff (or blindly buy it), they're disappointed. Bogners are no different than any other amp - they're tools and you have to try them before you buy to ensure that you're going to be happy with them.