I think this one is allegedly 1.5K.Jap & Korean epis had that 30-40 years ago.
I would never pay more than $300 for an epi.
Instead of more expensive epi's how bout more affordable Gibsons.
I didn't mind the "clipped ear" headstock, TBH.I like that look, but I've never really had a problem with the way any of the Epi headstocks looked.
On a cost vs benefit basis, I would prefer to buy just about any Epi over a similar model of Gibson.
They are "better" than the 50's Standards in that they have "better" wood. At least, the body is only 2-piece, so that means they don't have to put the back veneer to hide the pieces. Looks like the neck is also one piece without the scarf joint kinda like the Bonamassa sigs. The veneer in these is also higher grade, so it's less of a gamble. Many of te veneers on the regular Epi Standars are really underwhelming, much as with any guitar in the price range.Not for me. What i see is for more then double the price of my new 50s standard i get better pickups,a gibson head and thats it. The rest either doesn't matter to me or even a LESSER feature like the worn finish. The pickups can be upgraded for $100-200 and while the gibson head would be nice, it doesn't matter anywhere near enough to me to suffer with a finish i hate for double the money. In fact i would pay more for my basic 2023 50s standard lemonburst. And as pickups go, upgrading is in a way the better option because if you don't care fr the greeny's pickups, you'll have to buy a set anyways just lie with the 50s standard. And i would definitely prefer the 2020 head over the gibson head if it means i get to full gloss finish. I really really dislike those dulled finishes. So nope, not interested even if greeny was the same price i paid.
For that coin would rather have a Tokai.I think this one is allegedly 1.5K.
I agree, for less than 1.5K, I'd much rather have a LP Tribute. Add 200 dollars more, and you get a Studio.
I wouldn't mind 1.5K for a Japanese Epi, though. The "unprestigious" part would be the Epi name. But they did make those at Fujigen when the Epi Elitists were around, which is top-of-the-line stuff when it comes to Japanese factories.
Epi Elitist was on par. At least based on who was making them. Fujigen make Ibanez Prestige.For that coin would rather have a Tokai.
They are "better" than the 50's Standards in that they have "better" wood. At least, the body is only 2-piece, so that means they don't have to put the back veneer to hide the pieces. Looks like the neck is also one piece without the scarf joint kinda like the Bonamassa sigs. The veneer in these is also higher grade, so it's less of a gamble. Many of te veneers on the regular Epi Standars are really underwhelming, much as with any guitar in the price range.
I thought the dulled finished looked and felt nice in my 1959 when I had it. But I didn't really play it that much to the point where it started looking glossy at parts. I bet that would look like **** then.
The bridge is "better" in these, I hope. The Epi Locktone stuff is really bad, IME.
The Greeny pickups, I'd probably not like, but the good thing about them is you can sell them for reasonable money, most of the time. I don't think people pay more than 40-50 bucks for a set of used Probuckers. Not that they're bad. But they're just not as valuable.
So... it is a "better" guitar to an extent. At least with more expensive appointments. Worth more than double to what a 50's Standard costs? Hardly. That's where I totally agree with you.
It's allegedly $1,500 dollars. $1,500 dollars can get you a much better guitar with other brands, IMO.
I have nothing against scarf joints. But objecitally speaking, Epi doesn't make the necks that way because they're stronger, but because they're cheaper to produce. I was not saying the guitar is better objectically. I was writing "better" because it being more expensive, many people consider it to be better. But what is true is that because it is more expensive to produce, that is the reason why they're charging more.thing is, i could get a used Gibson standard for not much more. It's retain the same value i paid and go up from there, while the epi will never fetch more then maybe 1/2 of that $1500 at most. But i still don't see anything about it tat would make me pay double for it over the standard 50s. Thinks like scarf joints get a bad rap because the internet breeds myth. Scarf joints are stronger which on a LP is a good thing. I've had a lot of martins and gibsons, a few others like larivee and guild....the best sounding acoustic i have owned ad still do because of how good it sounds is a Eastman with a scarf joint. I just don't buy into all that stuff. I go by experience. I had a $1600 gibson LP P90 special before my current epi TV yellow special and the difference is not subtle. The epi plays like butter and sounds so much better i wouldn't trade it for the gibson i sold. Yet i can imagine whats under that yellow paint ! scarf joint to be sure. God knows how many body pieces. But ya know what....if people didn't buy into all the myths we wouldn't have killer guitars for cheap because no on would buy gibsons. By the way, i had a lower end gibson LP about 20 years ago w/o a scarf joint or many piece body etc. I put it up for style in a week after i bought it. Total dead sounding POS. It's not about the build quality that makes great tone, it;s design. Now if like older epis mine didn't have a maple cap, then i'd agree. But it does and it has all the necassary design details to make great LP tone but for the pups, ad they aren't bad, just not quite my cup of tea
I have nothing against scarf joints. But objecitally speaking, Epi doesn't make the necks that way because they're stronger, but because they're cheaper to produce. I was not saying the guitar is better objectically. I was writing "better" because it being more expensive, many people consider it to be better. But what is true is that because it is more expensive to produce, that is the reason why they're charging more.
I was agreeing with you in that it's ridiculously priced. I was just explaining part of the reason it's more expensive is it's because it is indeed more expensive to produce with what most consider "better" featues.
I must admit, I have a bit of a bias against Epi. My second guitar was a Special II which was a POS. Not gonna make a fuss about it, it was a cheap guitar, and it played and sounded like it was supposed to based on how much it cost.
I bought two new "renaissance" Epis last year. One (a black Custom) I had to return because the frets were lifting off the fretboard on the treble side because they weren't seated well. Shame, because it looked decent, and sounded good. Not awesome, but good. Worth keeping if it weren't for the frets (which BTW, I took to the store expecting them to repair it, but instead, they offered to refund it it or trade it in for something else, so I did).
Then I got a 1959. Mine was the standard one, not the fancy Bonamassa or Hammet edition. It did have a 2-piece body, but a neck with a scarf joint. No biggie. It looked cool, and had a pretty solid top (unusual comparing it to every other Epi they had at the store). Very mediocre sound, clunky fat yet almost D-shaped neck that isn't all that much like the Gibson 50's they use on the Gibson USA stuff at least, super soft fret material, which BTW, were high-fret galore from the factory. No biggie, I got it a fret level, and it played well, but it still sounded average at best. The hardware was also trash. The bridge rattled like crazy and only one post really locked.
I do have a low-end Gibson as well that IMO plays and sounds great, but the point here is not to compare. I do agree, the LP Standard 50's is a better deal than the 1959 and a MUCH better deal than the Hammett. But if you REALLY want a Les Paul, I am convinced an Epi is not a better option than, say, a Harley Benton, an Agile, or any other lower-priced Asian copy, because none of them are really dead-on like a Gibson Les Paul is. Not even the Epi, and even the cheaper Epis, they're charging you extra just because it says "Les Paul" on the headstock, when it really isn't all that close to the Gibson.