OK, so apparently, some Epis are going to have the Gibson headstock now.

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So apparently, the Kirk Hammet Greeny Epiphone leaked, and it has that headstock.

Step in the right direction, IMO.

Other than that, it's basically an all yellow Epi 1959 with a better-looking headstock. At 1,500, ooof.

What do y'all think?
 
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Looks like they fixed the blunt lower horn Epis have as well, and gave it an ABR-1 style bridge (although I'm sure it's still pot metal with the cheap plating).

Honestly, I would like it if it weren't fucking piss yellow, LOL.
 
It's still Epiphone using Epiphone wood and construction. Changing electronics can make them sound admirable, some might be ok as-is, but I've gotten Gibson Les Paul Studios and satins cheaper, half that in some cases, and electronic upgrades there make them competitive tone-wise to Standards and custom shop/historic stuff, so why bother. Just my opinion based on my experience.
 
They had a model back in 16
with Chinese body
And Gibson hardware and electronics

Classic 57s
Sounded good to me
If it weren't so heavy
 
I wouldn't buy another Epiphone unless they brought back the Elitists.

But I do think that headstock looks better.
 
Controversial opinion but the old Epiphone headstock (as appeared on the ES-175) is better than the Gibson headstock. The one you usually see, that looks like a Gibson headstock with the corners clipped is pretty lack luster though
 
Jap & Korean epis had that 30-40 years ago.
I would never pay more than $300 for an epi.
Instead of more expensive epi's how bout more affordable Gibsons.
 
Jap & Korean epis had that 30-40 years ago.
I would never pay more than $300 for an epi.
Instead of more expensive epi's how bout more affordable Gibsons.
I think this one is allegedly 1.5K.

I agree, for less than 1.5K, I'd much rather have a LP Tribute. Add 200 dollars more, and you get a Studio.

I wouldn't mind 1.5K for a Japanese Epi, though. The "unprestigious" part would be the Epi name. But they did make those at Fujigen when the Epi Elitists were around, which is top-of-the-line stuff when it comes to Japanese factories.
 
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I like that look, but I've never really had a problem with the way any of the Epi headstocks looked.

On a cost vs benefit basis, I would prefer to buy just about any Epi over a similar model of Gibson.
 
I like that look, but I've never really had a problem with the way any of the Epi headstocks looked.

On a cost vs benefit basis, I would prefer to buy just about any Epi over a similar model of Gibson.
I didn't mind the "clipped ear" headstock, TBH.

I don't mind the new headstock on the LPC-style models. I hate it on the Standard-style models. Looks huge like a boat paddle.

I also don't think the "cost vs. benefit" is all that good with either Gibson or Epiphone. Epiphones are not "better" in any way over any other cheaper LP copies than Harley Benton, Chinese Tokai, Chinese Burny, lower-end LTD, or at least, I haven't found a reason that they're "better". They're supposedly the "officially licensed" copy, yet the headstock shape is not the same, the body outline and dimensions is not the same, the neck angle is not the same, the headstock angle is not the same, the pickup placement is not the same, the bridge is not the same, the plastics are not the same, the neck profiles are not the same, the wood type is not the same, etc. Then, why even bother paying for the "officially licensed copy" status (because that costs extra), when it's not really all that close?
 
Not for me. What i see is for more then double the price of my new 50s standard i get better pickups,a gibson head and thats it. The rest either doesn't matter to me or even a LESSER feature like the worn finish. The pickups can be upgraded for $100-200 and while the gibson head would be nice, it doesn't matter anywhere near enough to me to suffer with a finish i hate for double the money. In fact i would pay more for my basic 2023 50s standard lemonburst. And as pickups go, upgrading is in a way the better option because if you don't care fr the greeny's pickups, you'll have to buy a set anyways just lie with the 50s standard. And i would definitely prefer the 2020 head over the gibson head if it means i get to full gloss finish. I really really dislike those dulled finishes. So nope, not interested even if greeny was the same price i paid.
 
Not for me. What i see is for more then double the price of my new 50s standard i get better pickups,a gibson head and thats it. The rest either doesn't matter to me or even a LESSER feature like the worn finish. The pickups can be upgraded for $100-200 and while the gibson head would be nice, it doesn't matter anywhere near enough to me to suffer with a finish i hate for double the money. In fact i would pay more for my basic 2023 50s standard lemonburst. And as pickups go, upgrading is in a way the better option because if you don't care fr the greeny's pickups, you'll have to buy a set anyways just lie with the 50s standard. And i would definitely prefer the 2020 head over the gibson head if it means i get to full gloss finish. I really really dislike those dulled finishes. So nope, not interested even if greeny was the same price i paid.
They are "better" than the 50's Standards in that they have "better" wood. At least, the body is only 2-piece, so that means they don't have to put the back veneer to hide the pieces. Looks like the neck is also one piece without the scarf joint kinda like the Bonamassa sigs. The veneer in these is also higher grade, so it's less of a gamble. Many of te veneers on the regular Epi Standars are really underwhelming, much as with any guitar in the price range.

I thought the dulled finished looked and felt nice in my 1959 when I had it. But I didn't really play it that much to the point where it started looking glossy at parts. I bet that would look like shit then.

The bridge is "better" in these, I hope. The Epi Locktone stuff is really bad, IME.

The Greeny pickups, I'd probably not like, but the good thing about them is you can sell them for reasonable money, most of the time. I don't think people pay more than 40-50 bucks for a set of used Probuckers. Not that they're bad. But they're just not as valuable.

So... it is a "better" guitar to an extent. At least with more expensive appointments. Worth more than double to what a 50's Standard costs? Hardly. That's where I totally agree with you.

It's allegedly $1,500 dollars. $1,500 dollars can get you a much better guitar with other brands, IMO.
 
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I think this one is allegedly 1.5K.

I agree, for less than 1.5K, I'd much rather have a LP Tribute. Add 200 dollars more, and you get a Studio.

I wouldn't mind 1.5K for a Japanese Epi, though. The "unprestigious" part would be the Epi name. But they did make those at Fujigen when the Epi Elitists were around, which is top-of-the-line stuff when it comes to Japanese factories.
For that coin would rather have a Tokai.
 
For that coin would rather have a Tokai.
Epi Elitist was on par. At least based on who was making them. Fujigen make Ibanez Prestige.

They weren't cheap, but they were Gibson-licensed Japanese copies made by a factory with some recognition.
 
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They are "better" than the 50's Standards in that they have "better" wood. At least, the body is only 2-piece, so that means they don't have to put the back veneer to hide the pieces. Looks like the neck is also one piece without the scarf joint kinda like the Bonamassa sigs. The veneer in these is also higher grade, so it's less of a gamble. Many of te veneers on the regular Epi Standars are really underwhelming, much as with any guitar in the price range.

I thought the dulled finished looked and felt nice in my 1959 when I had it. But I didn't really play it that much to the point where it started looking glossy at parts. I bet that would look like **** then.

The bridge is "better" in these, I hope. The Epi Locktone stuff is really bad, IME.

The Greeny pickups, I'd probably not like, but the good thing about them is you can sell them for reasonable money, most of the time. I don't think people pay more than 40-50 bucks for a set of used Probuckers. Not that they're bad. But they're just not as valuable.

So... it is a "better" guitar to an extent. At least with more expensive appointments. Worth more than double to what a 50's Standard costs? Hardly. That's where I totally agree with you.

It's allegedly $1,500 dollars. $1,500 dollars can get you a much better guitar with other brands, IMO.

thing is, i could get a used Gibson standard for not much more. It's retain the same value i paid and go up from there, while the epi will never fetch more then maybe 1/2 of that $1500 at most. But i still don't see anything about it tat would make me pay double for it over the standard 50s. Thinks like scarf joints get a bad rap because the internet breeds myth. Scarf joints are stronger which on a LP is a good thing. I've had a lot of martins and gibsons, a few others like larivee and guild....the best sounding acoustic i have owned ad still do because of how good it sounds is a Eastman with a scarf joint. I just don't buy into all that stuff. I go by experience. I had a $1600 gibson LP P90 special before my current epi TV yellow special and the difference is not subtle. The epi plays like butter and sounds so much better i wouldn't trade it for the gibson i sold. Yet i can imagine whats under that yellow paint ! scarf joint to be sure. God knows how many body pieces. But ya know what....if people didn't buy into all the myths we wouldn't have killer guitars for cheap because no on would buy gibsons. By the way, i had a lower end gibson LP about 20 years ago w/o a scarf joint or many piece body etc. I put it up for style in a week after i bought it. Total dead sounding POS. It's not about the build quality that makes great tone, it;s design. Now if like older epis mine didn't have a maple cap, then i'd agree. But it does and it has all the necassary design details to make great LP tone but for the pups, ad they aren't bad, just not quite my cup of tea
 
thing is, i could get a used Gibson standard for not much more. It's retain the same value i paid and go up from there, while the epi will never fetch more then maybe 1/2 of that $1500 at most. But i still don't see anything about it tat would make me pay double for it over the standard 50s. Thinks like scarf joints get a bad rap because the internet breeds myth. Scarf joints are stronger which on a LP is a good thing. I've had a lot of martins and gibsons, a few others like larivee and guild....the best sounding acoustic i have owned ad still do because of how good it sounds is a Eastman with a scarf joint. I just don't buy into all that stuff. I go by experience. I had a $1600 gibson LP P90 special before my current epi TV yellow special and the difference is not subtle. The epi plays like butter and sounds so much better i wouldn't trade it for the gibson i sold. Yet i can imagine whats under that yellow paint ! scarf joint to be sure. God knows how many body pieces. But ya know what....if people didn't buy into all the myths we wouldn't have killer guitars for cheap because no on would buy gibsons. By the way, i had a lower end gibson LP about 20 years ago w/o a scarf joint or many piece body etc. I put it up for style in a week after i bought it. Total dead sounding POS. It's not about the build quality that makes great tone, it;s design. Now if like older epis mine didn't have a maple cap, then i'd agree. But it does and it has all the necassary design details to make great LP tone but for the pups, ad they aren't bad, just not quite my cup of tea
I have nothing against scarf joints. But objecitally speaking, Epi doesn't make the necks that way because they're stronger, but because they're cheaper to produce. I was not saying the guitar is better objectically. I was writing "better" because it being more expensive, many people consider it to be better. But what is true is that because it is more expensive to produce, that is the reason why they're charging more.

I was agreeing with you in that it's ridiculously priced. I was just explaining part of the reason it's more expensive is it's because it is indeed more expensive to produce with what most consider "better" featues.

I must admit, I have a bit of a bias against Epi. My second guitar was a Special II which was a POS. Not gonna make a fuss about it, it was a cheap guitar, and it played and sounded like it was supposed to based on how much it cost.

I bought two new "renaissance" Epis last year. One (a black Custom) I had to return because the frets were lifting off the fretboard on the treble side because they weren't seated well. Shame, because it looked decent, and sounded good. Not awesome, but good. Worth keeping if it weren't for the frets (which BTW, I took to the store expecting them to repair it, but instead, they offered to refund it it or trade it in for something else, so I did).

Then I got a 1959. Mine was the standard one, not the fancy Bonamassa or Hammet edition. It did have a 2-piece body, but a neck with a scarf joint. No biggie. It looked cool, and had a pretty solid top (unusual comparing it to every other Epi they had at the store). Very mediocre sound, clunky fat yet almost D-shaped neck that isn't all that much like the Gibson 50's they use on the Gibson USA stuff at least, super soft fret material, which BTW, were high-fret galore from the factory. No biggie, I got it a fret level, and it played well, but it still sounded average at best. The hardware was also trash. The bridge rattled like crazy and only one post really locked.

I do have a low-end Gibson as well that IMO plays and sounds great, but the point here is not to compare. I do agree, the LP Standard 50's is a better deal than the 1959 and a MUCH better deal than the Hammett. But if you REALLY want a Les Paul, I am convinced an Epi is not a better option than, say, a Harley Benton, an Agile, or any other lower-priced Asian copy, because none of them are really dead-on like a Gibson Les Paul is. Not even the Epi, and even the cheaper Epis, they're charging you extra just because it says "Les Paul" on the headstock, when it really isn't all that close to the Gibson.
 
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I have nothing against scarf joints. But objecitally speaking, Epi doesn't make the necks that way because they're stronger, but because they're cheaper to produce. I was not saying the guitar is better objectically. I was writing "better" because it being more expensive, many people consider it to be better. But what is true is that because it is more expensive to produce, that is the reason why they're charging more.

I was agreeing with you in that it's ridiculously priced. I was just explaining part of the reason it's more expensive is it's because it is indeed more expensive to produce with what most consider "better" featues.

I must admit, I have a bit of a bias against Epi. My second guitar was a Special II which was a POS. Not gonna make a fuss about it, it was a cheap guitar, and it played and sounded like it was supposed to based on how much it cost.

I bought two new "renaissance" Epis last year. One (a black Custom) I had to return because the frets were lifting off the fretboard on the treble side because they weren't seated well. Shame, because it looked decent, and sounded good. Not awesome, but good. Worth keeping if it weren't for the frets (which BTW, I took to the store expecting them to repair it, but instead, they offered to refund it it or trade it in for something else, so I did).

Then I got a 1959. Mine was the standard one, not the fancy Bonamassa or Hammet edition. It did have a 2-piece body, but a neck with a scarf joint. No biggie. It looked cool, and had a pretty solid top (unusual comparing it to every other Epi they had at the store). Very mediocre sound, clunky fat yet almost D-shaped neck that isn't all that much like the Gibson 50's they use on the Gibson USA stuff at least, super soft fret material, which BTW, were high-fret galore from the factory. No biggie, I got it a fret level, and it played well, but it still sounded average at best. The hardware was also trash. The bridge rattled like crazy and only one post really locked.

I do have a low-end Gibson as well that IMO plays and sounds great, but the point here is not to compare. I do agree, the LP Standard 50's is a better deal than the 1959 and a MUCH better deal than the Hammett. But if you REALLY want a Les Paul, I am convinced an Epi is not a better option than, say, a Harley Benton, an Agile, or any other lower-priced Asian copy, because none of them are really dead-on like a Gibson Les Paul is. Not even the Epi, and even the cheaper Epis, they're charging you extra just because it says "Les Paul" on the headstock, when it really isn't all that close to the Gibson.

Well, i dunno. Maybe i got a good one, but one thing i am 100% sure of is my epi LP special TV yellow is an incredible guitar. Just for reference, i've been playing since the early 70s and done uncountable gigs so i' not stranger to what a great guitar is. And that special is incredible, so much so it became my #1 and i swear i think it may be the best sounding guitar i have ever owned. And thats a VERY long list.
Anyways, i explained all that because the standard i recently got hangs very nicely with that special. I realize they are 2 different things, but the quality level of the standard's tone is anything but mediocre, and thats with what i consider very average stock pickups. I have no doubt with great pickups it will be very hard to find any typical gibson production model let alone the greeny to be notably better as far as tone. And as for playability, nothing at any price is gonna be better I have been able to get the action lower then any guitar i have ever owned w/o buzzing. It's actually shockingly low w/o buzz. I've gotten other guitars as low but not w/o some degree of buzz. There was one high fret but 30 minutes of leveling and its now perfection. Even with that high fret which was minimally high, it had great low action. I intend to install a set of pearly gates in it and if they sound as good as the reviews indicate i have no doubt this thing will be fantastic sounding. So like i said, maybe i got a good one, i don't know. Or maybe you have had some mediocre ones. All i know for sure is that of the uncountable guitars i've owned this LP easily sounds well within the standard of tone i hoped for when i got it and with a significant tonal upgrade i think the duncans will make it will be extremely good. The special's P90s are so good i left them in. Better balanced than the gibsons in my former gibson special and as good in all other respects. It would have been nice if the standards pups were equally good but then thats unlikely given the fact P90s are said to be a pickup thats hard to make a bad one and thats certainly not the case with HBs. In any case, you have your feelings a about it and i have mine, but then we may have had very different experiences depending on the luck of the draw with the ones we bought. I am waiting on a seller to respond on a particular set of PG duncans and if i get the answer i want i will post a review on how the standard sounds stock compared to the PGs.
 
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