Orange - I'm hearing very mixed reviews!

Re: Orange - I'm hearing very mixed reviews!

it's pretty much un-useably loud as it goes... haha

Nah, I could see it being usable, at a large stadium or outdoor festival. Some bands hav stacks upon stacs on stage, some of which use ALL of them, and they pull off some tone.

2 words: hearing damage

2 more words about too much headroom: no tone

2 words: EAR PLUGS

as for too much headroom, I'm sure there's controls on the amp to lower th amount, but for scooped death metal maybe all that headroom wouldn't be soo bad.
 
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Well, I am a fan of quality over quantity. The idea of having quality in power over volume is fine, but it's my understanding that it doesn't work the same with Tubes.

So far on these amps I can't say I'm convinced that they are great! there are obviously some fans out there, but there are too many wary people countering. Thanks though!
 
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2 words: EAR PLUGS

as for too much headroom, I'm sure there's controls on the amp to lower th amount, but for scooped death metal maybe all that headroom wouldn't be soo bad.
I was assuming you wear ear plugs. Some frequencies cut through and still do hearing damage not to mention phsycological damage. when it is over 115dBA you are not going to be able to get earplugs to reduce sound to levels that do not do damage, if you are using the amp for extended periods of time.
 
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Interesting comments so far! Please keep 'em coming.

Incidentally, and please let's not change the thread too much. What's necessarily wrong with them being a 'bit Marshally'?

They're really not that Marshally.

The Rocker's cop a sorta Marshall vibe, and the AD30 cops a sorta Vox vibe... but they don't really sound like a Marshall, or a Vox.... oddly enough, they do sound like an Orange.


here are my thoughts. I have only listened to lots of clips and read lots of reviews. I have not played any oranges yet.

1) wattage over 100 watts is not really useable. You would have to get an attenuator to get that tube breakup sound that is desireable. also a 2x12 cab is going to be more than loud enough.

People don't buy a high wattage Orange for it's breakup, they buy it for it's bottom end and lack of breakup.

2) the OR-80 reissue is pretty cool. takes pedals well. but does not have alot of distortion so you are going to get the diode clipping from your pedal.

True.

3) the rockerverb series for the dirty channel does not take well to any pedals.

False. If you know how to operate a gain knob it works fine with pedals.

4) the rockerverb series has an effects loop, but the loop is not assignable to the channels.

True.

5) for the 30 watter amps rocker and AD you are not going to get that heavy bass chug that you get from the 50watters.

True. That said, they do have a surprising amount of bottom end for a low wattage amp.

6) the reliability for the rockerverbs is horrible, according to stonerrock.com users and harmony central reviews

The reliability of the Rockerverb 50 is horrible. The other Rockers are fine.

7) mars volta and the emo bands love the orange amps (uggh)

I know. I hate it. I'm hoping they move onto their next fad soon.

8) orange amps are extremely expensive when compared to a used ampeg or mesa .50 caliber+ that would get you near the same sound.

I'm told that an Ampeg loaded with EL34s gets extremely close to an Orange in terms of tone.

2 words: hearing damage

200w isn't much louder than 100w.

2 more words about too much headroom: no tone

I guess you've never heard an Orange. Or a Hiwatt.
 
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I was assuming you wear ear plugs. Some frequencies cut through and still do hearing damage not to mention phsycological damage. when it is over 115dBA you are not going to be able to get earplugs to reduce sound to levels that do not do damage, if you are using the amp for extended periods of time.

I have ear plugs of various ranges, depending what volume I'm jamming at. If I'm playing a show I have anywhere between 26-32db reduction ear plugs. 120-32=88db, not too shabby if you ask me!

Obviously over time you're going to get hearing damage, but ear plugs slow that down, meaning you can put off a hearing aid appointment for a few more years than other musicians!:nana:
 
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So far on these amps I can't say I'm convinced that they are great! there are obviously some fans out there, but there are too many wary people countering. Thanks though!

Orange has a tone of their own that I've heard described as somewhere between Hiwatt and Fender. I've yet to rock a Hiwatt, so I can't really comment on them.

The thing is that they have a bit of a raw, fuzzy edge to their tone. Not quite clean, yet not quite dirty. People who rock them tend to rock them for their extremely loud overdrive that won't quite distort... hence their popularity with throwback styles (Stoner/Doom) and stompbox heavy styles (Shoegaze).

Rockers are different of course. They're filling their own niche (British high gain).
 
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I have ear plugs of various ranges, depending what volume I'm jamming at. If I'm playing a show I have anywhere between 26-32db reduction ear plugs. 120-32=88db, not too shabby if you ask me!

Obviously over time you're going to get hearing damage, but ear plugs slow that down, meaning you can put off a hearing aid appointment for a few more years than other musicians!:nana:

sweet dude, match your foam hearos with 32dBA that you got from the local pharmacy up to a 140watt AD class a amp at full volume. Your ears are the best musical device that you will ever have. good choice ;)

I like orange amps, but, I wont be posting any more here - I dont have much more to add - Im sure the other users may have a few more tidbits!

ps Ill go with whatever screamingdaisy said!
 
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I have ear plugs of various ranges, depending what volume I'm jamming at. If I'm playing a show I have anywhere between 26-32db reduction ear plugs. 120-32=88db, not too shabby if you ask me!

Obviously over time you're going to get hearing damage, but ear plugs slow that down, meaning you can put off a hearing aid appointment for a few more years than other musicians!:nana:

Or you could avoid resting your face on the speaker grille.:27:

(just kidding... although it is a good idea)
 
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Ideally, you should protect your hearing so the only time you need an appointment for a hearing aid is due to naturally going deaf, which NOT everyone suffers. My Grandparents that are still around are both over 90. My Grandad [Mum's Dad] has been going progressively over the last 10 years, my Dad's mother doesn't seem to have a problem at all.

I know it seems a long way off when you're 17 but take care of yourself!
 
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Ideally, you should protect your hearing so the only time you need an appointment for a hearing aid is due to naturally going death, which NOT everyone suffers. My Grandparents that are still around are both over 90. My Grandad [Mum's Dad] has been going progressively over the last 10 years, my Dad's mother doesn't seem to have a problem at all.

I know it seems a long way off when you're 17 but take care of yourself!

Well, naturally we'll all lose our hearing a we naturally progress towards DEATH. But I think you meant DEAF.

My sister is hard of hearing, so I've seen first hand the effects of hearing damage.
 
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Yup. thanks for spotting the typo, which is corrected. I think it's time I consider turning in. The old brains grinding a bit!
 
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I LOVE THE AD30

I have played one and gigged where the opening band had one and I was FLOORED. It was like a Mini Plexi

Mean and rowdy! Small too with V30s.

I know nothing of their other models and their older models. I played a AD120 (?) their higher wattage model and I liked it a lot too! Advise me, I might want one.

I have only avoided them because a) its redundant to my amp set up since I already have 2 EL34 amps, Marshall-y b) they are really orange and retro looking in style and color, and I am already retro enough.
 
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I went amp shopping today, and played most everything I could find, and ended up playing an AD30TC and it was the best thing I played all day. For whatever reason the tone I hear in my head was most closely matched by this amp. I was kinda intrigued to find this thread once I got home.

Any thoughts on this Specific model? Of course I can start a new thread if need be rather than hijacking.
 
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This man speaks the truth. Al from Om(bass player) uses two 200 watt Electrics(Matamp) through two 4x15 and some other cabs. And I am scared to think about the amount of wattage that Sunn O))) use live.

EDIT: and about the 'using it all the way up', I am willing to bet every band I listed uses full volume.

200 watts for a bass head is like a 30 watt gee'tar amp.

Not very much juice...

BTW ~ I'd bet that A LOT of the bands you listen to don't play at full tilt... maybe 3/4 open... but not all the way open. Gotta at least try to preserve your ears a little...
 
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The AD-30 is one of the best amps I've heard in a long time. Gorgeous crunch tone.

An AD-30 paired with a nice clean amp like a Dr Z Route 66 would be my ideal live rig.
 
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I went amp shopping today, and played most everything I could find, and ended up playing an AD30TC and it was the best thing I played all day. For whatever reason the tone I hear in my head was most closely matched by this amp. I was kinda intrigued to find this thread once I got home.

Any thoughts on this Specific model? Of course I can start a new thread if need be rather than hijacking.

The AD30 is a killer rock amp. It takes pedals very well and I when I first tried it I found it surprisingly bassy for a 30w combo.

The only drawback I've found to it is that it sounds best loud. I get better low volume results using dirt pedals than I do by turning the MV down and the gain up. That said, the low volume clean tone is killer, particularly with a touch of delay.
 
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The AD-30 is one of the best amps I've heard in a long time. Gorgeous crunch tone.

An AD-30 paired with a nice clean amp like a Dr Z Route 66 would be my ideal live rig.

AD30 Channel 1 + Rocker 30 channel 1 = awesome crunch with tone and dynamics.

AD30 channel 1 + Rocker 30 channel 2 = high gain chugging with individual note clarity.
 
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They're cool amps, but there are some pretty significant differences between the original orange amps and the modern-era versions.

The original orange amps definitely had their own thing going, different from both Hiwatt and Marshall. Loud and open, but not quite as balanced and sparkly as a Hiwatt, and not as upper-mid aggressive as a Marshall. British-sounding, but different.

The modern Oranges are, for the most part, a lot closer to a Marshall tone than their predecessors. They don't sound exactly like Marshalls, but are much more toward that sound. If you're after a more 'vintage' Orange sound, check out some of Matamp's stuff. I have seen a 'retro 50' orange at my local store, which may be Orange's attempt at their original sound, but haven't tried it yet.

In my opinion, Orange have deliberately moved away from some of the cool eccentricities that made their amps stand out with one reason in mind: they knew they had an amp with visual appeal, but also knew that they'd sell more of them if kids tried them and heard a more 'familiar' tone. That's basically why modern Oranges have been successful: a cool look that sets you apart (until everybody starts using them: we get Brit live music TV shows down here and I swear pretty much every act uses at least one Orange rig) and a sound that is fairly familiar.

If what I saw on the festival circuit this summer is anything to go by, Hiwatts are the new 'cool' amp, in the same way that Oranges were two years ago. I wonder if anyone has ever made one with orange tolex? -sort of like a reverse of that Wolfmother guy's Oranges with black tolex. Now that's an image-based endorsement if ever I saw one. Not surprising, considering that band is made up of former graphic designers and photographers...
 
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The AD30 is a killer rock amp. It takes pedals very well and I when I first tried it I found it surprisingly bassy for a 30w combo.

The only drawback I've found to it is that it sounds best loud. I get better low volume results using dirt pedals than I do by turning the MV down and the gain up. That said, the low volume clean tone is killer, particularly with a touch of delay.

Yeah I noticed it wanted to be played loud. Even at a lower volume it was really nice though. I have tone in my head I hear, and it's the closest amp i've found to give me that tone both clean and dirty.

I played through it with an Eric Johnson strat... I Might have found my momentary dream set up.
 
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