Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

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First off let me describe what goin on, i have a jackson that has a real floyd rose, not that licensed bs thing and the strings(D'ADDARIOS) are fully stretched and the floyd has a trem stop(you canT pull up on my floyd) it just lowers in pitch.
So why in the hell is the G string going out of tune?
I checked the lock nut and it is tightened to the neck and the locking pad is more than tight enough to lock the string in place? the fulcrum knife edges of the floyd are new and undamaged so
whats left?:smack: is it in the trem post's?
 
Re: Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

Vasshu the humanoid typhoon said:
They are not what they used to be.....
Or your locknut has groove.
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I checked the locking nut and no grooves or pits it is like new
When you say" not what they used to be" i dont quite understand that? are you saying that they may be the cause? IF so that really does not make sense because i have 4 guitars with floyds and all use these d'addario XL120's and just this one guitar has the tuning issue?
 
Re: Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

Not what they used to be, no strings are that anymore!!
Meaning that strings are not allways consistant...
How do you stretch them by the way?
 
Re: Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

SAVAGE DISTORTION said:
First off let me describe what goin on, i have a jackson that has a real floyd rose, not that licensed bs thing and the strings(D'ADDARIOS) are fully stretched and the floyd has a trem stop(you canT pull up on my floyd) it just lowers in pitch.
So why in the hell is the G string going out of tune?
I checked the lock nut and it is tightened to the neck and the locking pad is more than tight enough to lock the string in place? the fulcrum knife edges of the floyd are new and undamaged so
whats left?:smack: is it in the trem post's?
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Maybe the saddles need to be tightened (more) against the baseplate.. that might explain why just the G goes out of tune...the saddle may be slipping.
 
I just had a guitar refretted and the tech insisted on using D'Aarrios. I got the guitar back, and the guitar, particularly the G string, wouldn't stay in tune with the Floyd.

The tech told me it may be uneven pressure on the lock nut. It wasn't, the tech didn't properly lock the string on the bridge.

I still had problems, this guitar still wouldn't stay in tune, a problem I didn't have before. I switched over to Ernie Ball cobalts, which I've been using on my other guitars and the problem was solved. Just a bad batch of strings
 
Re: Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

Is the nut screwed tight to the neck? ...those can come loose and move around a bit (sideways mostly), especially with an old guitar.
 
Re: Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

IME:

1. The locker at the bridge has a groove in it. check both the locking block and bridge for signs of a groove.

2. The locker at the nut caused a string to go sharp when tightening it down. To compensate I tune the guitar or string slightly flat before tightening the lock nut down.

3. Check to be sure the fine tuners aren't loose. Stripped threads might cause the fien tuner to slip. Be sure you're not making contact with the fine tuners when you play.

4. Check to be sure the springs aren't being kinked or binding. This may prevent it from returning to zero.


hope that helps...
 
Re: Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

jmh151 said:
I just had a guitar refretted and the tech insisted on using D'Aarrios. I got the guitar back, and the guitar, particularly the G string, wouldn't stay in tune with the Floyd.

The tech told me it may be uneven pressure on the lock nut. It wasn't, the tech didn't properly lock the string on the bridge.

I still had problems, this guitar still wouldn't stay in tune, a problem I didn't have before. I switched over to Ernie Ball cobalts, which I've been using on my other guitars and the problem was solved. Just a bad batch of strings
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Wow i cant believe a string could cause it but going bu your personal experience with the SAME symptom/problem i am left with no choice but to go back to EB Rock and roll pure nickles, these are the same exact string as the 5150's by eb except the low E and G string are not as light as the 5150 pack.
Putting then on will really tell the tale and if it dont work i still love those EB R and R strings anyway so nothing lost:fing2:
 
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SAVAGE DISTORTION said:
Wow i cant believe a string could cause it but going bu your personal experience with the SAME symptom/problem i am left with no choice but to go back to EB Rock and roll pure nickles, these are the same exact string as the 5150's by eb except the low E and G string are not as light as the 5150 pack.
Putting then on will really tell the tale and if it dont work i still love those EB R and R strings anyway so nothing lost:fing2:
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:fing2:
12786_Fender_150XL_Pure_Nickel_Ball_End_a.jpg
 
Re: Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

Try a new G string...just to rule out the string.

I'm with Vasshu, it might very well be the string...chances of getting 2 bad ones in a row is pretty slim so try a new G string just to see, once you rule out the string then you can start digging in other places but right now you might be chasing your tail...
 
Re: Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

SAVAGE DISTORTION said:
how the tension on those? the EB R&R nickles are real loose/flexible which i like. The d'addarios are like that too but if they have bad batches then i am switchin back to EB or maybe those fender xl's
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Try them, I actually prefer them over EB's. I own a Ernie Ball/Music Man Axis with a Floyd so I'm not against EB at all, however I have a D-Tuna installed and cannot for the life of me get it to settle with 9-42 using EB's. Those Fender's work great, as well as Dunlop strings which I love now as well. I find the Dunlop's to be warmer then regular nickel plated, kinda like in between pure nickels and nickel plated.

Anyways, Ed used Fender 9-40 150XL back in the day, that's how he got the gauge for the 5150 strings, so give them a shot.
Never gotten a bad batch yet with the Fender's but it can happen with any manufacturer.
 
Re: Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

If you want pure nickels I REALLY like the GHS Burnished Nickels, they are better for me than the EB R-n-R's were but I liked those too.

The GHS do seem a tad stiffer than the EB's but not by too much.

Fender 150's are good too but have a shorter life than the GHS or the EB's and seem to cost more.
 
Re: Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

Yea the 150XL's do not last as long but not by much, although I found they sound better....well for what I play so its personal preference. They are actually cheaper here for me so I dunno, depends on your sources I guess.
 
Re: Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

I didnt wanted to update this until i was positive the prob was gone,well it is!
Using SIT power wounds now and not only did the tuning issue disappear but the tone is much better now.
Never realized at how "twangy" d'addarios's were until now not to mention the tuning issue they were causing me.:smack:
 
Re: Reasons a real floyd rose would go out of tune?

Never had tuning issues with XL's, but I don't use them anymore. They are hella twangy for nickel-steel. The one string problem makes me think the saddle block has a groove worn into it, which is really easy to fix. Pull the block out and hit it with a sanding block.
 
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