SDUGF Pickup - What's Next?

[ratherdashing]

Re: SDUGF Pickup - What's Next?

I'm pretty happy with the pickups I have right now honestly.

That said, I would seriously consider replacing the Bill Lawrences I have in my Strat if SD offered a beefier-sounding noiseless Strat single coil. Compared to other manufacturers, SD is fairly weak in the noiseless single coil department IMO.

 

[ErikH]

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I'm pretty happy with the pickups I have right now honestly.

That said, I would seriously consider replacing the Bill Lawrences I have in my Strat if SD offered a beefier-sounding noiseless Strat single coil. Compared to other manufacturers, SD is fairly weak in the noiseless single coil department IMO.

DING! DING! DING!

EXACTLY what I've been saying.

 

[Mr 9finger]

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I think it would be rude to ask for a calibrated set. It's always been 1 pickup at a discounted price. Not only would a cal. set be a lot more expensive, but I feel it would it would taking advantage of Mr. Duncan and Co.'s generosity.

And what's w/ this "If I like it, I'll buy more" comments? It's never been that way either. You get 1 shot at getting the pickup at a discounted price. That's how we get the discounted price. They're able to 1 run of a large group.


As for the pickup itself, I lost interest at the P90 voicing. And noiseless? Most people have at least standard singles in the neck position. By going w/ a noiseless neck pickup, people would have to get another pickup for the middle slot to get things to work out properly w/ out a bunch of wiring. That's more cost to the original idea and most just don't have the money right now. That's a tank and a half of gas for some people.

At the end of the day no matter how you argue it or it looks on paper, it's not a strat single. It's something else crammed into a single size housing and I think that may have turned some people off. Me personally, I think the 1/4 pound already does the job of what you guys described and the cool rails to some extent. And if I had the choice and we're going to spend $100 on a P90 flavored single coil, I'd just spend the extra $27 and get a whole set from Bill Lawrence. I know from exp. that his L290 bridge and L298's are P90ish in character, they are noiseless, they're only $40 each and for those that are interested, the 298's are powered by alnico 8 bar mags.

 

[ratherdashing]

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At the end of the day no matter how you argue it or it looks on paper, it's not a strat single. It's something else crammed into a single size housing and I think that may have turned some people off. Me personally, I think the 1/4 pound already does the job of what you guys described and the cool rails to some extent. And if I had the choice and we're going to spend $100 on a P90 flavored single coil, I'd just spend the extra $27 and get a whole set from Bill Lawrence. I know from exp. that his L290 bridge and L298's are P90ish in character, they are noiseless, they're only $40 each and for those that are interested, the 298's are powered by alnico 8 bar mags.

I have an L298 in the neck position of my Strat. It's a great pickup. I had no idea it had an A8 bar magnet, but that makes perfect sense given what it sounds like. It does have poles, so I guess those are not the actual magnet.

I think something with around the same output as the L298 but with a slightly warmer, more complex feel to it would be amazing.

 

[jeremy]

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That is interesting and very helpful. In your opinion, Jeremy, what SD single coil is approximately the same volume as a split STK-S4?

there isnt much difference between split and series, just a touch. output might be just a little more than the ssl1 or surfer

 

[drew_half_empty]

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Please tell me you're being sarcastic. How the heck do you think the Brobucker came to be?

Don't like it with the degaussed A5, through and A2 in there or a full-strength A5. There's 3 right there.

'the hell is a brobucker?

oh and i think people make too big of a deal about noiseless stuff

i mean come on, it's feedback, it happens, it's not a big deal. As long as it's controllable & doesn't squeal all crazy while you're playing who cares

 

[KeeperOS]

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And what's w/ this "If I like it, I'll buy more" comments? It's never been that way either. You get 1 shot at getting the pickup at a discounted price. That's how we get the discounted price. They're able to 1 run of a large group.

That's it. Within that period of time some people might want to order just one, just to see if they like it and while still within that time frame order a couple more if they do.

I think it happened the other two times as well. People ordered a Brobucker or Crazy 8, saw that they liked it and while they were still within that time frame, bought some more...

 

[ErikH]

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'the hell is a brobucker?

You've been a part of the forum long enough to know.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/custom-shop/humbuckers/brobucker/

oh and i think people make too big of a deal about noiseless stuff

i mean come on, it's feedback, it happens, it's not a big deal. As long as it's controllable & doesn't squeal all crazy while you're playing who cares

Are you the same drew or did you OD on something? Feedback? :no1:

 

[Mr 9finger]

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I was always under the impression that it was 1 lot 1 order 1 group of shipments. I could be mistaken though it wouldn't be the first time.

 

[veryhungrycaterpilla]

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In what way was it disorganized?

5 poll threads including one redo is my definition of disorganized. Would splintered and lacking focus more suit your taste?

 

[drew_half_empty]

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You've been a part of the forum long enough to know.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/custom-shop/humbuckers/brobucker/




Are you the same drew or did you OD on something? Feedback? :no1:

yeah but i don't ever look at custom shop stuff. Seems like most of the stuff is a lot more money for negligible differences

and really controllable feedback isn't necessarily a bad thing

i think it sounds cool when guitars sustain into feedback

 

[ErikH]

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yeah but i don't ever look at custom shop stuff. Seems like most of the stuff is a lot more money for negligible differences

and really controllable feedback isn't necessarily a bad thing

i think it sounds cool when guitars sustain into feedback

Ok, the Brobucker was the first forum designed pickup. Seymour and MJ just like it enough to make it a Custom Shop menu item for everybody. It was a very successful forum design. I have one myself. Trust me, that pickup is worth every penny.

When talking about noiseless single-coils, feedback isn't the issue. It's the 60-cycle hum that traditional single-coils exhibit that the noiseless design eliminates, like the Classic Stack Plus.

 

[KeeperOS]

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I was always under the impression that it was 1 lot 1 order 1 group of shipments. I could be mistaken though it wouldn't be the first time.

Well, since there are a lot of us that order them from countries outside the US it wouldn't be possible to get it as one single shipment.
Then again I could be wrong as well.
Maybe it just was that those forum bros bought their second batch from other bros rather than from SD. Dunno:dunno:

 

[Robert Delahunt]

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The polls are over. The design that was chosen is a noiseless, P90 voiced Strat pickup, that is meant for the middle and neck.

Give me your honest opinion.

I think it's economic situation for some. For others, maybe they didn't want to mod their guitar(s): maybe they were already happy. Maybe there's been too many SDUGF pickups? Maybe too many people with different philosophies?

As soon as it went noiseless, I was done. Sorry, I prefer true single coils. Still, the concept you guys came up with was a good one, I'm just not into it.

As for P-90-ish, in my opinion the QP, Custom, and Alnico II Pro Staggered already sound close enough for single coil pickups to fill the void. I don't see a need. In fact, sadly enough, there's nothing I can think of that Seymour Duncan hasn't done.

Except maybe a 10k wound Jazz bridge....

Or except maybe an alnico ii version of the Hot Rodded Combo (trust me, Seymour Duncan can do anything! )

Or except maybe a humbucker that can split out to a single coil that has the same DC resistance as the humbucker did....

Maybe everyone just has their own ideas and there's not enough agreement to get interest, even if there's enough majority to pass the polls....

 

[J Moose]

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like j said, the bridge is the weak spot on a strat. a tapped strat bridge pup that sounds like a strat (maybe with a little tele) tapped and p90 full would be a cool pup. you could use it in the neck or middle as well and it would probably sound great clean tapped, and great dirty full. maybe 42 up to the tap then 43 for the rest?

thats a pup that i think would be sweet, a little different but very cool

That's a cool idea too...

I'm no pickup winder... been though a bunch over the years... enough to know that a big, phat, P90-ish thing with big magnets won't work in the neck of a strat without replacing all the other pickups as well.

The sheer volume & string pull from the neck would eclipse the bridge by a mile.

Strats, any strat... they already have that problem.

Looking for a solution... not another problem.

I'd love to have something in the bridge that can grind a Super or kick a Marshall in the sack... and won't be totally out of balance with "stock" middle & neck pickups.

Unlike any H/S/S guitar... where the bridge pickup is so much louder it's unusable unless you get rails or soemthing... and then you don't really have single coils.

I'll agree that most noiseless pickups/stacks/etc. seem to lose some to a lot of the snark & vibe of great single coils.

I haven't tried the Kinmans...

I dig the Vintage Rails for what they are...

Wind me up an SP90 in a Strat size... and a Tele size.

That's what it "should" be...

I think a whole lot of 'ya would dig that... and probably even WANT that...

Even if you haven't realized it, yet.

 

[JohnnyGuitar]

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Well,

I think that some of the blame is on my attempt to try to do it in a less "technical specs" way - hence in a less clear way.

I thought that choosing the technical specs might not be the best way to go - a lot here agreed with me. It is more important what a pickup would do.

I made a few threads and posts asking people to give ideas about what would be a good pickup - there were a few ideas that no one was able to develop - like the "perfect middle pickup" but as a whole, ideas were not flowing.

Will an all technical poll with results like "7k, aged alnico 2, staggered" or "14k, alnico 8, rails" be more suitable and tempting for users? I'm really not sure about it.

Making a take on an existing pickup is also an option - the Brobucker was a development of a PAF and based on the Custom Shop S-Deco in design. The Crazy 8 resulted as a take on the PATB...



I think that until the need for a specific Custom Shop strat pickup rises among enough users we can put it on hold.

 

[Mr 9finger]

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Well,

I think that some of the blame is on my attempt to try to do it in a less "technical specs" way - hence in a less clear way.

I thought that choosing the technical specs might not be the best way to go - a lot here agreed with me. It is more important what a pickup would do.

I made a few threads and posts asking people to give ideas about what would be a good pickup - there were a few ideas that no one was able to develop - like the "perfect middle pickup" but as a whole, ideas were not flowing.

Will an all technical poll with results like "7k, aged alnico 2, staggered" or "14k, alnico 8, rails" be more suitable and tempting for users? I'm really not sure about it.

Making a take on an existing pickup is also an option - the Brobucker was a development of a PAF and based on the Custom Shop S-Deco in design. The Crazy 8 resulted as a take on the PATB...



I think that until the need for a specific Custom Shop strat pickup rises among enough users we can put it on hold.

I think the way you went about things was just fine duder. My only complaint would be is, you left them open to long. If it takes that long to get a decent amount of people to participate, then that should have been the first warning that this wasn't going to go over well.

I think getting to overly technical on a single coil pickup would probably end up in a FAIL! Fact of the matter is, there is no one on this board that knows the attributes of every single little pc. of a strat pickup better than Seymour and M.J. Singles are a lot less forgiving than buckers. I believe it was Yngwie that said, "You can't hide behind a good single coil" and I'd say it's a safe bet that everyone would agree that if it's not a good single coil to not even bother. In this case, it's better to give the pro's the general idea and let them fine tune it.

You want some ideas? I've got several for pickups. How about a 15/16k Diablo w/ matching neck pickup up. Oh wait singles... 15K stack w/ A2 Diablo blade...could call it the lil devil! Or for the Calibrated set fanboys....15k/13k/10k set of above mentioned.

 

[KeeperOS]

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So guys, the question stands; what do we do?

Do we go into a poll and test our numbers or do we just give up, try again next time (whenever that may be)?

 

[jimijames]

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Well, like evan said, we can also just order an already existing custom shop pickup en masse... So what about those custom shop single coils? Not the antiquities, the ones that are supposed to be seymour's favorite single coil?

edit: here's the link: http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/custom-shop/stratocaster/sd_for_strat_75_1/

edit 2: we could ask for whichever magnet will get us closer to a p-90 (Methinks degaussed A2, but it would probably be better for seymour to decide.)

 

[KeeperOS]

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Honestly, I would LOVE to have a go at this one although I would feel kinda bad that this wasn't one of our own pickups but rather a discount on an already existent one.

On the other hand, maybe this one could make a calibrated set more plausible (they already have done it several times I would guess).

Dunno guys, I'd love to go on with our own pickup but this option doesn't sound half bad to me either...

I think I'm in either way (maybe leaning towards our own just a tad more...)

EDIT: OK guys, a stack 5-2 and/or a Lil' Pearly Gates?
Maybe an ALNICO Lil' '59?

Maybe there's life here yet!!!

What do you say about a BroBucker round 2 (in Strat size though )?