Tube Amp Snobbery Apology

[Demanic]

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But as we were told solid state amps go in the thrash when they break, so why would anybody buy one used? </sarcasm>

Because people who think tubes are the be all and end all sell their SS rigs when they finally upgrade to a "real" amp.

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[Sirion]

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True; I stand corrected.

Then again, a lot of the bad rap ss amps get come from the amps in the beginner range, which often enough are crap, and usually not worth spending too much time on.

 

[Demanic]

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They are what they are. Randall makes some ss heads that are certainly not slouches. And so don't Peavey and Marshall.

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[Mincer]

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I can get 'my' sound from pretty much any amp, so I don't really care how it is made. If it is light, and I can afford it, I will get it.

 

[Aceman]

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Ummm....this conversation is all cool and everything, but have you guys forgot the Crate Power Block?

Nothing new here.

Powerblock + Digitech RP350 + any old cab can make a tone that that will please the crowd.

 

[El Dunco]

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Ummm....this conversation is all cool and everything, but have you guys forgot the Crate Power Block?

Nothing new here.

Powerblock + Digitech RP350 + any old cab can make a tone that that will please the crowd.

I haven't. I mentioned it a page back.

 

[Lewguitar]

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True; I stand corrected.

Then again, a lot of the bad rap ss amps get come from the amps in the beginner range, which often enough are crap, and usually not worth spending too much time on.

Not the Mustang III. It's a great sounding amp.

Even if it does wind up in the trash five years from now, it was worth every penny of its $325 price tag.

Well worth 18 pennies a day.

And I'll remove the Celestion speaker so I can use it again, before it goes to the dump.

 

[EAProwlerB]

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From my searches I couldn't find many makers of class D guitar amps, in fact only Quilter selling class D guitar amps. Most of the class D amps are for bass like this $300 2000 watt amp :https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-BX2000H-BEHRINGER-ULTRABASS/dp/B00SXTN8GS/ref=pd_sbs_267_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00SXTN8GS&pd_rd_r=VRZHF7FWM8AZDJWZ2CCW&pd_rd_w=31Z6p&pd_rd_wg=JBjE2&psc=1&refRID=VRZHF7FWM8AZDJWZ2CCW

I'm still curious where Duncan found the technical resources to develop an amp to complete with Quilter who has been working at this for 50 years.IMO it would be appropriate for Duncan in their release and product information to have some bit of background information relating to this.

 

[EAProwlerB]

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Not the Mustang III. It's a great sounding amp.

Even if it does wind up in the trash five years from now, it was worth every penny of its $325 price tag.

Well worth 18 pennies a day.

And I'll remove the Celestion speaker so I can use it again, before it goes to the dump.

Just let it die at 4 years 11 months and Fender will give you a new one under their 5 year warranty.

 

[jeremy]

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But as we were told solid state amps go in the thrash when they break, so why would anybody buy one used? </sarcasm>

ss are fine to repair, digital ones on the other hand it may not be worth the expense

Ummm....this conversation is all cool and everything, but have you guys forgot the Crate Power Block?

my deluxe reverb crapped out setting up for a gig monday so i used my powerblock (which lives in the car for just this type of situation) and it sounded just fine.

I'm still curious where Duncan found the technical resources to develop an amp to complete with Quilter who has been working at this for 50 years.IMO it would be appropriate for Duncan in their release and product information to have some bit of background information relating to this.

again ill say, duncan used to make amps. this isnt a new thing for them. there are some brilliant engineers at duncan and making a good sounding amp is well within the realm of their expertise.

 

[Sirion]

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ss are fine to repair, digital ones on the other hand it may not be worth the expense.

I agree, and have had ss stuff repaired in the past; but as we were told earlier in this thread these things ought to go in the garbage when they break, and who am I to argue?

 

[EAProwlerB]

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again ill say, duncan used to make amps.

"Seymour Duncan produced a small line of guitar amplifiers during the 1980s and 1990s." You are correct duncan used to make amplifiers.
vs.
"Quilter LLC is an American manufacturer and globally recognized leader in the design and engineering of high performance audio products including power amplifiers.."
Not to be disruptive but I think my question is a valid one. Also is there a date when the the amplifiers will begin shipping?

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

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I read Boomer's description as 700 watts A SIDE. Holy hell! That is loud! There are lots of players that play big venues, so I can see how that could be used, but for me, the 170 would be plenty. Using a Fractal, it seems like it would be perfect.

I think it's only 1.7 times louder than a 100 W amp, considering the logarithmic nature of 'perception of loudness'.

 

[moshpit817]

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I've been a tube amp snob for quite some time. I've tried various solid state analog and digital amps. I found nothing that I really liked (Fender, Line6, Peavey, etc). I have found I prefer low wattage tube amps going into larger cabinets, but even then, they can be a bit loud before they sound full and natural.

But then I discovered Quilter.

I need to apologize to those who don't believe Tube amps are the only amp to have.

I bought a Quilter MicroPro Mach II 8" combo. Tiny, lightweight, loud, full, and packed with features. Solid state, analog amp that sounds fantastic. Ran it side by side with my Jet City 20HV amp w/ matching V20 loaded 2x12 and it sounded just as good.

So good in fact, I decided to buy the Quilter Microblock 45 amp pedal. Freaking loud, pedal sized amp that also sounds just as good as any tube amp I've ever heard plugged straight into another Jet City 2x12 amp I have.

I'm just amazed a solid state amp can sound so good.

You may not want to spend $700 on up for a MicroPro (Head cabinet up to 8", 10", 12" combos...)

But $150 on the Microblock 45? That is really a no brainer. Cheaper than may guitar pedals out there and worth the piece of mind when gigging with a tube amp as either a backup or primary.

Here I thought it was tube amps or nothing... I'm am swallowing my pride and admitting I was wrong. For that ladies and gents, I do apologize.

I got a Microblock 45 10 days ago,sounds amazing,especially running my Amptweaker Tight Metal through it! I 2nd that on the Quilters!

 

[Mincer]

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I'm still curious where Duncan found the technical resources to develop an amp to complete with Quilter who has been working at this for 50 years.IMO it would be appropriate for Duncan in their release and product information to have some bit of background information relating to this.

We have some seriously ace engineers working here. They build all kinds of things. These new power amps are a great idea, and from what I heard, sound wonderful.

 

[crusty philtrum]

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These new power amps are a great idea, and from what I heard, sound wonderful.

Durability remains to be proven.

 

[Gearjoneser]

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To be clear, I'm playing the devil's advocate here in a thread about guitar amps.

A part of me is open minded, and I've owned SS and modeling amps.....good ones.

I'm also a collector/player of world class amps, and have been to every Amp Show and vacuum tube show in Los Angeles since I was 20. This topic isn't new to me, and I've even talked to Pat Quilter, and owners of countless tube amp companies...like nearly all of them.

What can I say? Buy what you believe to be your tone. Let the cards fall where they may. It'll either sound great, good, mediocre, or awful. The main two things will be your ability to tailor tone and your playing.

 

[El Dunco]

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To be clear, I'm playing the devil's advocate here in a thread about guitar amps.

A part of me is open minded, and I've owned SS and modeling amps.....good ones.

I'm also a collector/player of world class amps, and have been to every Amp Show and vacuum tube show in Los Angeles since I was 20. This topic isn't new to me, and I've even talked to Pat Quilter, and owners of countless tube amp companies...like nearly all of them.

What can I say? Buy what you believe to be your tone. Let the cards fall where they may. It'll either sound great, good, mediocre, or awful. The main two things will be your ability to tailor tone and your playing.

True, but it's still a good topic of discussion and some of us travel to play music and what might be killer in the studio and viable at local shows are a different story when you want to save and carry as little freight as possible. Tube heads sound great, no doubt about it. However if I'm flying interstate or overseas, I'll always pick something that the audience won't hear a noticeable drop in quality that I can fit right in my guitar case whether it be a Quilter head, my favourite preamp into that new SD power amp, an Atomic Amps Amplifier right into the board, one of those AMT preamp pedals into the return jack of the backline and so on. Has anyone tried the BluGuitar Amp One?

 

[crusty philtrum]

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Buy what you believe to be your tone.

Pfft, build your own amp to get what you want at a realistic price.

One thing i notice in this thread, and it's a glaringly salient point .... almost everyone is talking about how s/s sounds here. No-one has mentioned response .... the big difference. Ya just don't get that almost 'elastic' back and forth response along your guitar cable with s/s that you do with tubes. You can 'play' a good tube amp with your hands and your touch in ways that you can't with s/s (prolly not so much the high gain crowd, but pretty much everything else).

Unfortunately, as so often happens, the issue is being seen in a kinda two-dimensional way rather than three-dimensional.

 

[JeffB]

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Pfft, build your own amp to get what you want at a realistic price.

One thing i notice in this thread, and it's a glaringly salient point .... almost everyone is talking about how s/s sounds here. No-one has mentioned response .... the big difference. Ya just don't get that almost 'elastic' back and forth response along your guitar cable with s/s that you do with tubes. You can 'play' a good tube amp with your hands and your touch in ways that you can't with s/s (prolly not so much the high gain crowd, but pretty much everything else).

Unfortunately, as so often happens, the issue is being seen in a kinda two-dimensional way rather than three-dimensional.

Also exactly the same with "on a recording , you cannot tell the difference" But I sure can plugging into the amplifier and being in the same room with it. And for me that is the enjoyment of playing. That is why I just don't like modelling- Its like playing through a radio and I don't get any satisfaction from them.

That said, there are some ss amps I really do like, because unlike modellers, they are designed to be like any other tube amplifier and not run straight into a computer with cab sims/IRs.

Hell, I don't even like FX loops, so count me in as a Cranky Grandpa.