What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

[Gtrjunior]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Metallica is now using Axe FX into SS poweramps. So really I can't see why that's not a thing. If it's good enough for them...

I would have agreed with you if it was 1995 but the Metallica of 2018 is but a shadow of its former self.
Their guitar tone of today pales in comparison....JMO, of course.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Why did the Marshall Mode Four fail?

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

So why not use a solid state amp then? There's no point to running power tubes if you're not driving them into distortion. Run your pedals or a tube pre-amp section into an SS power amp. It should be possible to design a power amp sections of three of four hundred watts for cheaper than a 100 watt tube power amp.

I don’t know, I play a Princeton Reverb most of the time now.

 

[dystrust]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Why did the Marshall Mode Four fail?

Because it was a poorly built piece of crap designed to hit a certain price point?

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Because it was a poorly built piece of crap designed to hit a certain price point?

I thought it was moderately expensive?

 

[dystrust]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

I thought it was moderately expensive?

I did a bit of research, and they were $999 new in 2004. That's expensive for a Valvestate (which the Mode Four essentially was), but it's still hundreds less than a new DSL100 cost at the time.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Oh. Maybe it could gave worked out as a pro-level tool at the price of a TSL100.

 

[Adieu]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

I thought it was moderately expensive?

ALL marshall products start at moderately expensive and up

I did a bit of research, and they were $999 new in 2004. That's expensive for a Valvestate (which the Mode Four essentially was), but it's still hundreds less than a new DSL100 cost at the time.

That's NOT moderately expensive.

That's AT LEAST $1336 today, as adjusted for inflation by the bs fudged inflation figures politicians feed us


$1336:today.... can buy literally ANY amp circuit on the used market. No vintage collector value stuff, true, but copies thereof or originals of any other amp...all day long

Hell you can get a used DSL, a rectifier, AND a 5150/6505 if you get lucky or add a couple hundred bucks

 

[dystrust]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Oh. Maybe it could gave worked out as a pro-level tool at the price of a TSL100.

If it were designed for that, maybe. The Mode Four didn't have a real tube preamp, just solid state 'warmed' up by a single 12AX7 ala Valvestate.

I've played tube rack preamps through SS power and it can sound good, but it's different. Even played clean you get additional coloration from a tube power section, maybe from the OT or compression characteristics.

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[dr0]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Funny I was at a very nice club at a local Indian Casinos (they are the top tier of club gigs in this State) and saw a band I know and like, and the guitarist had switched from his typical Marshall combo to a Direct Box.

I did not enjoy the sound nearly as much.

 

[jeremy]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

ive had similar experiences. direct tones tend not to flip my skirt as much as even a good small amp and i think its pretty noticeable

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

I had a Mode Four. It wasn't that bad. It could sound pretty useable if you backed off the treble and bass and didn't even dream of engaging the scoop function.

 

[Jacew]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

I had a Mode Four. It wasn't that bad. It could sound pretty useable if you backed off the treble and bass and didn't even dream of engaging the scoop function.

"Could sound pretty usable" for an amp with Mode Fours price tag does sound like a big failure to me...

 

[Aceman]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

ive had similar experiences. direct tones tend not to flip my skirt as much as even a good small amp and i think its pretty noticeable

So you admit you wear skirts...

 

[Aceman]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Here is a good reason:

When a-hole anal-compulsive sound guy decides he doesn't want it too loud because he just loves the bass and the vocal above all and people say they can't hear the guitar.

Hit the 100watt switch, turn up the master and BEHOLD - let there be rock!

 

[Gtrjunior]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

Here is a good reason:

When a-hole anal-compulsive sound guy decides he doesn't want it too loud because he just loves the bass and the vocal above all and people say they can't hear the guitar.

Hit the 100watt switch, turn up the master and BEHOLD - let there be rock!

We don’t need no stinkin’ PA!!!

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

"Could sound pretty usable" for an amp with Mode Fours price tag does sound like a big failure to me...

No idea how much it was new. I paid $300 for mine a few years back. Well worth the money, IMO.

 

[Jeffblue]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

I have a Mesa Boogie M190 (180 watt pure tube audiophile mono tube power amp) and if I didn't use the built-in attenuator, it would burst my eardrums. I don't play out and I have this amp mounted in my rack rig. Sounds amazing and that low end thump?......oh yeah, I got that.

 

[Jacew]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

No idea how much it was new. I paid $300 for mine a few years back. Well worth the money, IMO.

Someone mentioned 999$ new earlier.

 

[jeremy]

Re: What's the point in big 100 watt heads?

So you admit you wear skirts...

if you were 6'2" and had legs for days, you would too. a slight breeze feels quite nice