Whats with Strats nowadays?????!

Re: Whats with Strats nowadays?????!

What's with the price hikes? The same thing that's been with the price hikes in the last three or four Fender-bashing threads. The prices went up cuz lumber is harder to get.

Not that much. A lot of the signature Strats were $1,300 last year and are $2,000 this year. Over a 50% increase in the total price of the guitar? That means they'd be paying about a grand for one guitar's wood (and that's after all the quantity discounts they've negotiated). That's a bit hard to believe, and we're not talking about extremely rare endangered exotic species worth their weight in gold, for Strat lumber. We're talking about models that have been had for over 50 years, in huge quantities, and the machinery's long since been pair for. Unit costs are low these days.

You can make up all the excuses you want for them (or Gibson), but their costs haven't gone up anywhere near that much. Look at what lumber costs in the hardware chains...has it quadrupled this year? There's probably surpluses of lumber worldwide with the stalled economy & housing markets. Companies buying in bulk are probably getting some attractive pricing now. Gasoline prices spiked last summer, but that's no reason to keep inflated guitar prices now. Face it, they're in business for the stockholders, not musicians.
 
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Re: Whats with Strats nowadays?????!

Guys, just to get the record straight......

I was *****en about getting a good FENDER strat these days. Of course you can get a good strat nowadays with all the custom builders around.

I was just going on about how Fender hiked up their prices insanely after doing the marketing scheme of slicing everything into quality categories and making you pay for any 'extras'.

Fender used to have way less categories in their 'strat' range of instruments. So....the options were alot less and the quality was pretty much more 'linear' for lack of better words. You had American standards, Japanese models and then the custom shop.
American standards had good hardware on them and the main difference from the custom shop models were options that you could get through the custom shop and better craftmanship.
NOW they have everything cut up. Wood quality differs from range, hardware does as well, and then craftmanship.
GET IT????

It is a very well thought out marketing ploy.

That is where companies like PRS, by introducing their "Reserve quality" can have an "excuse" to charge more. Or rather an "explanation" just so some people dont get offended here.
When you offer a product and you only have one, customers immediately assume that it is the best you make. Or at least not the lowest quality you make.
By cutting things up into quality ranges you have the advantage of piecing all the options as excuses to different pricing schemes.

As far as the parts guitar thing is considered, I might be totally unlucky who knows. But putting one together isnt all it is made up to be.
Ask Zerb how many times we argued about this till I tried it many times. It isnt often that you hear someone admit his mistake. And I admit that after doing it many times I dont think I will ever put one together again. Just cause the Suhr that you buy isnt that expensive just for the actual guitar and workmanship, but you are also paying a price for all the R&D that went into making the darn thing.
They figured out with the techniques they use and the materials the 'best' possible combo. Before they made what they offer to you they probably went through ALOT more than 10 guitars until they made one they were satisfied with. And that is with luthier skills that SUHR has.


cheers
 
Re: Whats with Strats nowadays?????!

Well...tried a few strats...love the Roadworns..total vintage mellow and warm...
Also tried a few CS ones, from a Gilmour to a hotrodded one with 69 singles and a JB.
Did setups on a few US standarts, lotsa good strat tones.
Dunno...they worked quite ok to me!
 
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Fender really is lagging behind. And as far as Jackson goes, they have very few models with 24 frets. Kinda funny they are pretty much synonymous with the floyd-high gain-shred-24 fret-gain boost craze, yet few of the models have that. And is it just me, or do both Fender and Jackson necks look different as compared to the 80s?

Jackson? Well the only model I know is mainly a 22 is the RR, because that's what Randy had on his Concorde and the black RR.

Same goes for the Adrian Smith San Dimas.

Kelly, King V, Soloist, Dinky etc are mostly, if not entirely, 24-fretters
 
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It is total massive:D
Got a huge core to its tone......a real superstrat in a vintage outfit.
And is total killer, got a s-switch in the volumepot, so no small extra switches, but the Gilmour totally blew me away.....all I love in strats was there....man.....and I cannot get it:D
 
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One thing, OT. About guitars people piece together, there's a lot of work, time, and emotional investment in building a mutt. As a result some people tend to believe their USACG, Warmoth, etc is the best thing since sliced bread, yet to others it might be "just ok". I've never pieced a mutt for myself but I've played some that the owner believed to be the ultimate guitar and it was just average.

That's just what I think and I'm sure there's more experienced folks out there who beg to differ.
 
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btw, millsart, did you already make a porn shoot of that pink thing!? Last update I saw was HOT bro! Reminded me a lot of something Nick Sorenson would build...and that's a d*** good thing!!
 
Re: Whats with Strats nowadays?????!

ESP is giving Fender AND Gibson a run for their money these days. If they would do an Eclipse with 4 knobs like a proper Les Paul, i dunno if i'd even be checkin Gibson out anymore.

They do!
Just not available in the States.
Trademark laws.

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You can also get it in full thickness.
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You just have to go through UK, Australia, or Japan to get one.
 
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But strats have never been consistent. In any era there is a fairly wide variation. There will always a be a variation in parts-o- strats too. I know a guy that put on USACG neck on his strat because he ruined the stock neck. He never liked it because it was just a bit different, although the same neck on a different guitar may have been great. It's just the luck of the draw. Varity is probably a good thing considering how each guitarist has his own thing that he likes or dislikes. What is a the perfect guitar for one will only be average for somebody else and what is average for one may be better than average for somebody else. I know a lot of people don't think much of a couple of my players guitars, because I set em up rough on purpose. I kinda like like a guitar that plays like a bit of a pig sometimes, but I'm fine with just about anything. I'm not picky at all. You just have to go through a bunch to find the ones you like. Thats the way its always been.
 
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They do!
Just not available in the States.
Trademark laws.

ESP also owns Edwards (or is it the other way round?). They give me so much GAS it gets painful:

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:eyecrazy::eyecrazy::eyecrazy:


ESP to Fender and Gibson is like the Japanese car makers to the American car makers... :cool:
 
Re: Whats with Strats nowadays?????!

One thing, OT. About guitars people piece together, there's a lot of work, time, and emotional investment in building a mutt. As a result some people tend to believe their USACG, Warmoth, etc is the best thing since sliced bread, yet to others it might be "just ok". I've never pieced a mutt for myself but I've played some that the owner believed to be the ultimate guitar and it was just average.

That's just what I think and I'm sure there's more experienced folks out there who beg to differ.



I think what really sets a custom build apart, isn't so much the quality of the parts, but rather the ability to have every aspect of the guitar chosen specifically for what the end player wants, and as such, that is going to make it a very personal guitar that may be ideal for one player, but not for another.

For example, I might love a 12" radius neck and jumbo frets and a C profile, while you might be more comfortable with a 7" radius, vintage frets and a V profile because its what your used to.

In that case, no matter how nice of materials, the neck just wouldn't feel great in your hands, but to me, since its all my choosing, its perfect.
 
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well I didn't mean it in a "fit" kinda way, but rather just overall goodness if it makes sense. I can play, say a Peavey 5150 and even if I can say it doesn't fit me I can't possibly say it's a bad or just average amp because even if it's not my dream amp I can recognize that it's a great piece of gear. That said I wasn't bashing mutts, just saying that just like with Fenders, not all mutts are great.
 
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ESP also owns Edwards (or is it the other way round?). They give me so much GAS it gets painful:

E-SN-145FR_M_AMB.jpg

E-SE-93MLT_SOB.jpg

E-EX-100STD_VHB.jpg

E-LP-92CD_BK.jpg


:eyecrazy::eyecrazy::eyecrazy:


ESP to Fender and Gibson is like the Japanese car makers to the American car makers... :cool:

I'd prefer the Edwards over the Gibson's and Fender's. But what's up with the pickups on the Explorer?
 
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