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Re: Why Doesn't Seymour Duncan Fix The Custom Custom SH-11 EQ Chart?
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Why Doesn't Seymour Duncan Fix The Custom Custom SH-11 EQ Chart?
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Chistopher
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Re: Why Doesn't Seymour Duncan Fix The Custom Custom SH-11 EQ Chart?
Learn to understand that not everything needs to be taken personally. Passive aggressive remarks get you nowhere. For example, if I call you out on your spelling error in the above quote, that does not mean I'm being condenscending.
Learn to understand that not everything needs to be taken personally. Passive aggressive remarks get you nowhere. For example, if I call you out on your spelling error in the above quote, that does not mean I'm being condenscending.
PicoRiveraTele
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The website it a marketing tool, first and foremost. If it causes people to buy pickups, it works. Whether or not it's accurate is tangential to it's purpose.
The website it a marketing tool, first and foremost. If it causes people to buy pickups, it works. Whether or not it's accurate is tangential to it's purpose.
SavageRiffer
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Ah, well you see, you're making an assumption that I'm taking something personally. You couldn't possibly know that because you don't know me, nor do you seem to understand basic "bro code." You see, I was just ribbing Poindexter over there because that's what guys do - they take digs at each other for fun. Since he felt the need to correct something said in total jest, that was so insignificant in context, it was a funny thing to do to reply with sarcasm. It seems you and your friend over there need to lighten up a bit. Evidently, you are the one taking things personally. By the way, please, I insist that you attempt to correct my alleged spelling error. I promise I won't be offended (since there is no spelling error). However, before you do so, correct your own spelling error which I was kind enough to put in bold text for you.
Na, seriously though man. Relax. I assure you I rarely take things personally, even if I get sarcastic. Don't be so sensitive about things dude. It really sucks and feels oppressive when you're in an environment where you constantly have to worry about hurting someone's feelings as if you can't ever say or write anything without considering 100 possible ways it could be offensive to .000001% of the population. It also sucks when there's too much moderation or when people feel the need to intervene during heated debates. Arguments happen, but unless they really go south, it's like the Nazis to be killing every argument before people can resolve it themselves. Are you starting to get the idea man?
Look, I'll tell you right now that I'll be sarcastic from time to time. That's just my way, but 99% of the time it's just to be funny while making a point. I'm not going to change the way I am just because a few people are hypersensitive. Whether I sound like a prick or not sometimes is subjective, but I'm actually a pretty easy-going dude and get along well with most people.
Ah, well you see, you're making an assumption that I'm taking something personally. You couldn't possibly know that because you don't know me, nor do you seem to understand basic "bro code." You see, I was just ribbing Poindexter over there because that's what guys do - they take digs at each other for fun. Since he felt the need to correct something said in total jest, that was so insignificant in context, it was a funny thing to do to reply with sarcasm. It seems you and your friend over there need to lighten up a bit. Evidently, you are the one taking things personally. By the way, please, I insist that you attempt to correct my alleged spelling error. I promise I won't be offended (since there is no spelling error). However, before you do so, correct your own spelling error which I was kind enough to put in bold text for you.
Na, seriously though man. Relax. I assure you I rarely take things personally, even if I get sarcastic. Don't be so sensitive about things dude. It really sucks and feels oppressive when you're in an environment where you constantly have to worry about hurting someone's feelings as if you can't ever say or write anything without considering 100 possible ways it could be offensive to .000001% of the population. It also sucks when there's too much moderation or when people feel the need to intervene during heated debates. Arguments happen, but unless they really go south, it's like the Nazis to be killing every argument before people can resolve it themselves. Are you starting to get the idea man?
Look, I'll tell you right now that I'll be sarcastic from time to time. That's just my way, but 99% of the time it's just to be funny while making a point. I'm not going to change the way I am just because a few people are hypersensitive. Whether I sound like a prick or not sometimes is subjective, but I'm actually a pretty easy-going dude and get along well with most people.
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Chistopher
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Re: Why Doesn't Seymour Duncan Fix The Custom Custom SH-11 EQ Chart?
I'm not the one who wrote 3 whole paragraphs about it.
I'm not the one who wrote 3 whole paragraphs about it.
SavageRiffer
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Have you ever written a dissertation and earned a PHD? It's just my habit to be a prolific writer. I read and write volumes everyday just doing fun stuff now. Most people get by with abbreviated texts and insipid conversation. Just call me weird that way.
Have you ever written a dissertation and earned a PHD? It's just my habit to be a prolific writer. I read and write volumes everyday just doing fun stuff now. Most people get by with abbreviated texts and insipid conversation. Just call me weird that way.
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Chistopher
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One other thing to consider is that the chart might not be wrong, the guitar you have it in might be naturally bass heavy. What do you have it in?
One other thing to consider is that the chart might not be wrong, the guitar you have it in might be naturally bass heavy. What do you have it in?
SavageRiffer
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OK, fair question, but instead of getting into the particulars of whatever factors might have some effect the bass output, and assume that everything is just average, then I'd say the Custom Custom puts out 4,8,7 B.M.T. instead of how they used to have it at 3,7,7. It used to be in numerical form, then they changed the website and now they show the EQ in a little vertical bar chart and the output in a one-bar horizontal thermal graph. My perception of the Custom Custom, after years of experience with it, would be that, in numerical form, would have a bit more bass, and a bit more mids than treble. It's a fairly warm pickup in any guitar from my experience.
OK, fair question, but instead of getting into the particulars of whatever factors might have some effect the bass output, and assume that everything is just average, then I'd say the Custom Custom puts out 4,8,7 B.M.T. instead of how they used to have it at 3,7,7. It used to be in numerical form, then they changed the website and now they show the EQ in a little vertical bar chart and the output in a one-bar horizontal thermal graph. My perception of the Custom Custom, after years of experience with it, would be that, in numerical form, would have a bit more bass, and a bit more mids than treble. It's a fairly warm pickup in any guitar from my experience.
PicoRiveraTele
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The only way to give a pickup a particular bass response is to raise or lower the pickup relative to the wound strings.
The only way to give a pickup a particular bass response is to raise or lower the pickup relative to the wound strings.
eclecticsynergy
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I've always felt that a six-bar chart would be much more informative. Deep bass, hard bass, low mids, high mids, treble presence, and high-end brilliance/air.
IMO better data would facilitate better choices. However, I also recognize that this would require a prohibitive amount of effort and is very unlikely to happen.
I've always felt that a six-bar chart would be much more informative. Deep bass, hard bass, low mids, high mids, treble presence, and high-end brilliance/air.
IMO better data would facilitate better choices. However, I also recognize that this would require a prohibitive amount of effort and is very unlikely to happen.
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Ben1962
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After reading your smear attack, I am surprised that the graph is off so little to you. 4,8,7 doesnt seem to be a huge difference from 3,7,7. TBH, I am a newer snowflake to this blog as well as guitar. I go more by these great commentators than the Duncan site. Unless I am offended by an opinion that differs from mine. And yes, I am kidding.
After reading your smear attack, I am surprised that the graph is off so little to you. 4,8,7 doesnt seem to be a huge difference from 3,7,7. TBH, I am a newer snowflake to this blog as well as guitar. I go more by these great commentators than the Duncan site. Unless I am offended by an opinion that differs from mine. And yes, I am kidding.
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Ben1962
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"The only way to give a pickup a particular bass response is to raise or lower the pickup relative to the wound strings."
Heartily disagree. Why else would we have so many pickups? You can change each PUPS response by changing the height, but some pickups are"bassier" or have more mids or whatever.
"The only way to give a pickup a particular bass response is to raise or lower the pickup relative to the wound strings."
Heartily disagree. Why else would we have so many pickups? You can change each PUPS response by changing the height, but some pickups are"bassier" or have more mids or whatever.
Chistopher
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Re: Why Doesn't Seymour Duncan Fix The Custom Custom SH-11 EQ Chart?
Personally, I think SD should at least give both upper mids and lower mids. I know a lot of smaller winders that do that, and it's pretty useful for when you don't know what to 3xpect from a pickup. It would sure be useful for the JB at least.
Personally, I think SD should at least give both upper mids and lower mids. I know a lot of smaller winders that do that, and it's pretty useful for when you don't know what to 3xpect from a pickup. It would sure be useful for the JB at least.
Jacew
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"Low mids" and "high mids" means different things to different people.
If I was to say what I understand as low mids, someone else would consider to be bass, for instance.
But I agree 5 band eq-chart would be much better for information. They just should also give the position in hz range for each band to give customer a better understanding about it.
"Low mids" and "high mids" means different things to different people.
If I was to say what I understand as low mids, someone else would consider to be bass, for instance.
But I agree 5 band eq-chart would be much better for information. They just should also give the position in hz range for each band to give customer a better understanding about it.
justFred
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What is the source of this EQ data? Is it all measured the same way using the same equipment?
Or is it not based on hard data at all but a musical ear to be used as a very rough guideline and add a little color to the page of the catalog?
What is the source of this EQ data? Is it all measured the same way using the same equipment?
Or is it not based on hard data at all but a musical ear to be used as a very rough guideline and add a little color to the page of the catalog?
Nostalgic Distortion
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I am all for accurate information. Hey, I would like the EQ plotted on a graph, but that would mean a scientific way to test them and a lot of time to make sure every single pickup was tested the exact same way. I think the EQ charts now (with no frequencies listed) are essentially what one person hears, and not designed to be the absolute truth on how a pickup sounds. It does help you pick between, say, an Invader or Distortion, but pickups that are closer in EQ (say, the Custom Hot Stack, and Vintage Hot Stack) are a lot more difficult. I would think the average buyer goes for extremes rather than subtlety, though.
I am all for accurate information. Hey, I would like the EQ plotted on a graph, but that would mean a scientific way to test them and a lot of time to make sure every single pickup was tested the exact same way. I think the EQ charts now (with no frequencies listed) are essentially what one person hears, and not designed to be the absolute truth on how a pickup sounds. It does help you pick between, say, an Invader or Distortion, but pickups that are closer in EQ (say, the Custom Hot Stack, and Vintage Hot Stack) are a lot more difficult. I would think the average buyer goes for extremes rather than subtlety, though.
PicoRiveraTele
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Here's how all this works. The pickup is a filter. Most of the "EQ curve" you hear is from the guitar strings themselves, how close the pickup is to the respective strings, how thick the strings are and of course what notes they happen to be sounding out, and the location of the pickup along the length of the strings. The pickup itself is merely a low pass filter, which is to say, all it does is discard various amounts of treble and the voltage generating loops of wire are packed on. A pickup simply doesn't contain enough circuitry to allow it to represent a rich, tonal contour. You have an inductor and resistance in series, and capacitance across them. So it all comes down to this: voltage output goes up, treble goes down. And it turns out, that you can put many dots along this spectrum, give them all different names, imply that one is better for certain genres of music, or even for playing particular songs, and the market will fall for it. There's a reason when you hear someone playing though a "humbucker" it just sounds like a "humbucker", and you don't say "aha! I hear a SH2-N!" There is no information anywhere about how the EQ is scientifically determined, because of course that would be impossible, but it is implied that they're based on some sort of objective reality, which is misleading. A three band EQ chart is three lies. A six band EQ chart would be six lies.
Here's how all this works. The pickup is a filter. Most of the "EQ curve" you hear is from the guitar strings themselves, how close the pickup is to the respective strings, how thick the strings are and of course what notes they happen to be sounding out, and the location of the pickup along the length of the strings. The pickup itself is merely a low pass filter, which is to say, all it does is discard various amounts of treble and the voltage generating loops of wire are packed on. A pickup simply doesn't contain enough circuitry to allow it to represent a rich, tonal contour. You have an inductor and resistance in series, and capacitance across them. So it all comes down to this: voltage output goes up, treble goes down. And it turns out, that you can put many dots along this spectrum, give them all different names, imply that one is better for certain genres of music, or even for playing particular songs, and the market will fall for it. There's a reason when you hear someone playing though a "humbucker" it just sounds like a "humbucker", and you don't say "aha! I hear a SH2-N!" There is no information anywhere about how the EQ is scientifically determined, because of course that would be impossible, but it is implied that they're based on some sort of objective reality, which is misleading. A three band EQ chart is three lies. A six band EQ chart would be six lies.
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