2 guitars with same gauge and different tension
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Silence Kid
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Re: 2 guitars with same gauge and different tension
Neck angle, string tree position, height of tuner posts, break angle over the bridge, relief on the neck, headstock angle, anything really. Assuming your action/nut and other obvious variables are set up the same. Perhaps the taller frets mean the bridge is set higher.
Neck angle, string tree position, height of tuner posts, break angle over the bridge, relief on the neck, headstock angle, anything really. Assuming your action/nut and other obvious variables are set up the same. Perhaps the taller frets mean the bridge is set higher.
treyhaislip
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Re: 2 guitars with same gauge and different tension
Pics of the guitars? What models?
Pics of the guitars? What models?
PFDarkside
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Re: 2 guitars with same gauge and different tension
Either a tremolo?
Either a tremolo?
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Yes the one with medium frets and fender type headstock has a tremolo bridge but i dont use it because it goes out of tune.
Yes the one with medium frets and fender type headstock has a tremolo bridge but i dont use it because it goes out of tune.
Silence Kid
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Re: 2 guitars with same gauge and different tension
That's a pretty big difference.
That's a pretty big difference.
PFDarkside
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Re: 2 guitars with same gauge and different tension
If you have the bridge blocked there is still more string to "stretch" in a trem system usually. Is the other TOM style?
If the bridge isn't blocked, when you bend, both the string and spring are giving up tension, hence the difference in feel. Strats always feel "slinkier" than teles....
If you have the bridge blocked there is still more string to "stretch" in a trem system usually. Is the other TOM style?
If the bridge isn't blocked, when you bend, both the string and spring are giving up tension, hence the difference in feel. Strats always feel "slinkier" than teles....
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: 2 guitars with same gauge and different tension
No guitars are alike!
Some of mine don't even use the same brand of strings.
No guitars are alike!
Some of mine don't even use the same brand of strings.
Re: 2 guitars with same gauge and different tension
yeah it's the trem. the trem will most likely dive a bit when you bend, giving the feel of less tension. Also, the angle of the string inside the trem is different compared to the hardtail, which also makes a difference.
yeah it's the trem. the trem will most likely dive a bit when you bend, giving the feel of less tension. Also, the angle of the string inside the trem is different compared to the hardtail, which also makes a difference.
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Ok, I get that the springs on a trem equipped guitar are going to affect the feel of the bend but are you not essentially "fighting" both the springs and the strings to get the bend to pitch? Ultimately, it's the string and not the spring that needs to be stretched so I guess I'm not seeing how the trem springs make the bend more effortless. Different feel, yes, but less effort, no. Granted, I don't favor trem equipped guitars and only own one. I do favor short scales and only have two long/fender scale guitars (one is a hardtail). Haven't directly compared the perceived bending effort between those two but they are two fairly different guitars so I couldn't draw conclusions on bending effort solely based on trem versus non-trem anyway.
What am I missing?
Ok, I get that the springs on a trem equipped guitar are going to affect the feel of the bend but are you not essentially "fighting" both the springs and the strings to get the bend to pitch? Ultimately, it's the string and not the spring that needs to be stretched so I guess I'm not seeing how the trem springs make the bend more effortless. Different feel, yes, but less effort, no. Granted, I don't favor trem equipped guitars and only own one. I do favor short scales and only have two long/fender scale guitars (one is a hardtail). Haven't directly compared the perceived bending effort between those two but they are two fairly different guitars so I couldn't draw conclusions on bending effort solely based on trem versus non-trem anyway.
What am I missing?
Re: 2 guitars with same gauge and different tension
the springs counter the tension of the strings.
if the springs are stronger then the strings, you wouldn't be able to 'whammy', so the springs are equally strong or less. So you're not fighting the strings anymore, you're fighting the spring and because of how forces work (cantelevers and such) it's easier to let the bridge pivot while bending the strings then to 'not' do it (simple physics).
the springs counter the tension of the strings.
if the springs are stronger then the strings, you wouldn't be able to 'whammy', so the springs are equally strong or less. So you're not fighting the strings anymore, you're fighting the spring and because of how forces work (cantelevers and such) it's easier to let the bridge pivot while bending the strings then to 'not' do it (simple physics).
Re: 2 guitars with same gauge and different tension
I'm not sure we are on the same page here. If the springs are stretching a little bit during a bend, then the player has to bend "further" to hit the same pitch compared to no spring involvement. So yes, I agree the player is essentially fighting the spring. But my point (or question) is how does the spring give the feel of less tension if it actually requires more travel (a "deeper" bend) to hit the same pitch during a bend? Again, ultimately, it's the string that has to be stretched to reach pitch.
I'm not sure we are on the same page here. If the springs are stretching a little bit during a bend, then the player has to bend "further" to hit the same pitch compared to no spring involvement. So yes, I agree the player is essentially fighting the spring. But my point (or question) is how does the spring give the feel of less tension if it actually requires more travel (a "deeper" bend) to hit the same pitch during a bend? Again, ultimately, it's the string that has to be stretched to reach pitch.
TeleJr24
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Re: 2 guitars with same gauge and different tension
My Ibanez S style guitar with tremolo has more tension than any of my other guitars. Two of the other guitars have Vintage strat type tremolos. And the others are strat fixed bridges. So the idea of the springs making it easier to bend isn't true in my case.
If they are all tuned the same shouldn't the tension be the same - in theory?
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My Ibanez S style guitar with tremolo has more tension than any of my other guitars. Two of the other guitars have Vintage strat type tremolos. And the others are strat fixed bridges. So the idea of the springs making it easier to bend isn't true in my case.
If they are all tuned the same shouldn't the tension be the same - in theory?
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PFDarkside
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Re: 2 guitars with same gauge and different tension
It's the trem.
We can discuss physics all day and whether it's more force needed to be applied or more distance the string needs to move across the fretboard, but in the end it's a different feel for the player and the trem system is why. If you block, it'll feel different.
It's the trem.
We can discuss physics all day and whether it's more force needed to be applied or more distance the string needs to move across the fretboard, but in the end it's a different feel for the player and the trem system is why. If you block, it'll feel different.
