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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
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NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
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Chickenwings
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
a lot of the guys who go round saying that their cheapo guitar kills any gibson etc have a problem....their problem is that deep down they really want the real thing.
This stuff is not rocket science...theres a lot of reasons good guitars are expensive - and it not just because of the name on the headstock.
a lot of the guys who go round saying that their cheapo guitar kills any gibson etc have a problem....their problem is that deep down they really want the real thing.
This stuff is not rocket science...theres a lot of reasons good guitars are expensive - and it not just because of the name on the headstock.
JOLLY
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
If this was a Gibson bashing thread this would be 15 pages long and there would be 10 people posting about how much better Agile guitars are. Why aren't they posting in this thread I wonder.
I did a search earlier for "Agile" in thread titles. I read through all kinds of threads and was laughing at the stuff that some people had to say about how Agile is better than Gibson. Maybe I'll go back to some of those threads and do a little bit of quoting.
If this was a Gibson bashing thread this would be 15 pages long and there would be 10 people posting about how much better Agile guitars are. Why aren't they posting in this thread I wonder.
I did a search earlier for "Agile" in thread titles. I read through all kinds of threads and was laughing at the stuff that some people had to say about how Agile is better than Gibson. Maybe I'll go back to some of those threads and do a little bit of quoting.
Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
I'll start by saying that I've never played and Agile.
I do own a higher end guitar (Hamer Monaco Elite), and several lower end ones (MIK 1990s Fender, Epiphone LP), and I guess you'd call one a mid range guitar (Charvel USA Pro Mod). All are cool guitars, and none are dogs, but none even hold a candle to my Hamer. My Epiphone LP is a really nice Epi and I upgraded it a ton, but tone, feel, playability, just everything about it is inferior to the Hamer. Really any of my lesser quality guitars are. So in my experience with my own guitars, there is definitely something to be said for the quality of higher end instruments over lower ones. (huge generality, there are exceptions of course)
I also said that I'm done buying lower end instruments. For the cost of several of those I could just have another Hamer or something I like. The excpetion I made recently was the San Dimas, and I only bought that because they were discounting the Style 2 (Tele version) by $400 last year and I wanted a floyd equipped guitar. As a side note to that, I had played a few of the Charvel USA Pro Mods at a music store, then for comparison I played a Jackson Soloist 2H (all Mahogany one) While the Pro Mods are cool guitars and a terrific value for the price they feel like toys compared to that Jackson or compared to my Hamer.
This is my experience, for what its worth, with low end vs. high end instruments.
I'll start by saying that I've never played and Agile.
I do own a higher end guitar (Hamer Monaco Elite), and several lower end ones (MIK 1990s Fender, Epiphone LP), and I guess you'd call one a mid range guitar (Charvel USA Pro Mod). All are cool guitars, and none are dogs, but none even hold a candle to my Hamer. My Epiphone LP is a really nice Epi and I upgraded it a ton, but tone, feel, playability, just everything about it is inferior to the Hamer. Really any of my lesser quality guitars are. So in my experience with my own guitars, there is definitely something to be said for the quality of higher end instruments over lower ones. (huge generality, there are exceptions of course)
I also said that I'm done buying lower end instruments. For the cost of several of those I could just have another Hamer or something I like. The excpetion I made recently was the San Dimas, and I only bought that because they were discounting the Style 2 (Tele version) by $400 last year and I wanted a floyd equipped guitar. As a side note to that, I had played a few of the Charvel USA Pro Mods at a music store, then for comparison I played a Jackson Soloist 2H (all Mahogany one) While the Pro Mods are cool guitars and a terrific value for the price they feel like toys compared to that Jackson or compared to my Hamer.
This is my experience, for what its worth, with low end vs. high end instruments.
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mwalluk
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
I chuckle when ever I hear someone say that an EPI, LTD, Agile, etc are as good or even better than any of the Gibson LEs Paul line. I had some very solid LP like guitars in a LTD EC400 and EC1000. They are SOLID. They are def a gig workhorse. Sound good, play great. HOWEVER, they are not a Gibson. If they played better, I wouldn't felt the neep to get a Gibson LP which I can attest to, sounds a lot better, feels alot better, plays a lot better. It might not look as nice cosmetically, but I would take a sick sounding axe over any cosmetically beautiful guitar.
I chuckle when ever I hear someone say that an EPI, LTD, Agile, etc are as good or even better than any of the Gibson LEs Paul line. I had some very solid LP like guitars in a LTD EC400 and EC1000. They are SOLID. They are def a gig workhorse. Sound good, play great. HOWEVER, they are not a Gibson. If they played better, I wouldn't felt the neep to get a Gibson LP which I can attest to, sounds a lot better, feels alot better, plays a lot better. It might not look as nice cosmetically, but I would take a sick sounding axe over any cosmetically beautiful guitar.
sbecker67
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
He was referring the "M" designation which is a version with a 3/4 maple top opposed to a 1/16 por 1/8 veneer.
He was referring the "M" designation which is a version with a 3/4 maple top opposed to a 1/16 por 1/8 veneer.
sbecker67
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
I own an Agile AL-3100 and have not experienced any of the issues you describe. My playing style is such that I wouldn't though; I don't do deeeep bends. So far, mine does everything that I ask of it and I enjoy playing it immensely. The day it is no longer satisfying or suits my needs, it's gone. (oh, I don't give a rat's behind about resale; I'll donate it to the local music charter school)
Do I think Agiles are BETTER than a Gibson, no of course not, but I do believe they are the best made guitars in their class and worth every penny. Not everyone can afford a Gibson and a lot of people can't justify the expense. Still, there are others that don't need or want a professional grade instrument regardless of cost. For those people, yes, the Agile is as good as a Gibson, or will deliver enough of the tone and playability of one to satisfy their need. When I've recommended an Agile, claiming it's 'as good as', it's been directed towards people who have specifically put themselves in one of these categories.
I own an Agile AL-3100 and have not experienced any of the issues you describe. My playing style is such that I wouldn't though; I don't do deeeep bends. So far, mine does everything that I ask of it and I enjoy playing it immensely. The day it is no longer satisfying or suits my needs, it's gone. (oh, I don't give a rat's behind about resale; I'll donate it to the local music charter school)
Do I think Agiles are BETTER than a Gibson, no of course not, but I do believe they are the best made guitars in their class and worth every penny. Not everyone can afford a Gibson and a lot of people can't justify the expense. Still, there are others that don't need or want a professional grade instrument regardless of cost. For those people, yes, the Agile is as good as a Gibson, or will deliver enough of the tone and playability of one to satisfy their need. When I've recommended an Agile, claiming it's 'as good as', it's been directed towards people who have specifically put themselves in one of these categories.
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IanBallard
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
Some of the best guitar tones have come from cheaper guitars and some extremely awful sounds come from very expensive instruments. I actually would be more interested in one of these: http://www.rondomusic.com/ad2300tvy.html
Some of the best guitar tones have come from cheaper guitars and some extremely awful sounds come from very expensive instruments. I actually would be more interested in one of these: http://www.rondomusic.com/ad2300tvy.html
GuitarGuy503
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
I'm not surprised what has been found in regards to the Agiles not being as good of guitars as Gibsons. Agiles are lower end guitars and you get what you pay for.
I'm not surprised what has been found in regards to the Agiles not being as good of guitars as Gibsons. Agiles are lower end guitars and you get what you pay for.
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ken361
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misterwhizzy
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
It seems to me these threads often get fuel for their fire from guitarists trying to justify their purchases. I have made the mistake of buying midrange amps several times, but with guitars, I have never done this.
I went and played a bunch of midrange guitars, but I never bought one. I went from Squier to Gibson, and I don't really go around looking for guitars. That's why you don't see me post much in the Guitar Shop. I've got that working the way I want it.
I think that a person who has to defend his guitar isn't really completely happy with it.
It seems to me these threads often get fuel for their fire from guitarists trying to justify their purchases. I have made the mistake of buying midrange amps several times, but with guitars, I have never done this.
I went and played a bunch of midrange guitars, but I never bought one. I went from Squier to Gibson, and I don't really go around looking for guitars. That's why you don't see me post much in the Guitar Shop. I've got that working the way I want it.
I think that a person who has to defend his guitar isn't really completely happy with it.
IanBallard
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
It's called cognitive dissonance.
It's called cognitive dissonance.
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CapoFirstFret
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Well I have gone through a bunch of guitars and I always tended to gas for something different, or something more. But since I got my 137 and 135, I literally don't gas for guitars anymore. Sure I see great guitars all the time and they look gorgeous and I'm sure they sound and play great, but I don't want them. I need nothing with my 137 and 135. I actually traded a Les Paul that was the absolute best playing guitar I'd ever touched for the 137 custom ultimately because the Les Paul sound wasn't working for me. The 137 does exactly what I need and is one of the nicest guitars I've touched.
I don't feel the need to have the biggest and best of everything. I'm a tool based person. I just need something to do the job with as little difficulty as possible, and that's what Gibson guitars deliver for me each and every time.
Well I have gone through a bunch of guitars and I always tended to gas for something different, or something more. But since I got my 137 and 135, I literally don't gas for guitars anymore. Sure I see great guitars all the time and they look gorgeous and I'm sure they sound and play great, but I don't want them. I need nothing with my 137 and 135. I actually traded a Les Paul that was the absolute best playing guitar I'd ever touched for the 137 custom ultimately because the Les Paul sound wasn't working for me. The 137 does exactly what I need and is one of the nicest guitars I've touched.
I don't feel the need to have the biggest and best of everything. I'm a tool based person. I just need something to do the job with as little difficulty as possible, and that's what Gibson guitars deliver for me each and every time.
mwalluk
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
Yes and No.
There were a few guitars I spent more money on that didn't play as well as cheaper guitars I had.
However, there are guitars I've paid a lot on, that are by far the best one's I've played.
To the same, My Studio plays and sounds a lot better than my friends Standard
Yes and No.
There were a few guitars I spent more money on that didn't play as well as cheaper guitars I had.
However, there are guitars I've paid a lot on, that are by far the best one's I've played.
To the same, My Studio plays and sounds a lot better than my friends Standard
IanBallard
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
One of the most surprising guitars I ever played was a G-400 Epiphone. My dad used to have a '64 and I played it all the time and when I when I tried the Epi, it almost felt and sounded the same. The pickups weren't that great, but the feel was there. I'd have to say if I bought an Epi, it would be an SG.
One of the most surprising guitars I ever played was a G-400 Epiphone. My dad used to have a '64 and I played it all the time and when I when I tried the Epi, it almost felt and sounded the same. The pickups weren't that great, but the feel was there. I'd have to say if I bought an Epi, it would be an SG.
blueman335
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
Well, maybe not some Fenders...
Well, maybe not some Fenders...
Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
Fenders ARE pretty, you mean old man!!!!
Fenders ARE pretty, you mean old man!!!!
IanBallard
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
I also would love to try out the neck-through AL models. There, you can't really compare to a Gibson because they don't make them. If Gibson did make a neck-through LP, it would cost $5980427502349857.
I also would love to try out the neck-through AL models. There, you can't really compare to a Gibson because they don't make them. If Gibson did make a neck-through LP, it would cost $5980427502349857.
75lespaul
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Re: NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul
For all you guys bashing Norlin Les Pauls...:chairshot
I've owned three and they were all three good guitars, with one being freaking great. My 75LP was a struggle to match pickups to, but I've found the best match and it sounds and plays like a Les Paul should. So there, buttwipes :nana:.
Okay, that was all in good fun. But seriously here, my buddy has three brand new Les Pauls including a Jimmy Page model, and all three are nicer than my 75. The Norlin era may have produced lesser guitars, but they still don't suck. My 73 Deluxe was as good sounding and playing as most modern production line Les Pauls.
Now--I've owned two Agiles. My 3100 was a great guitar, and believe it or not, my 2000 is even better and only cost me $150 shipped. I've said that after awhile, it can make me forget that I'm not playing a real Les Paul, and they could; simply because they play nice and easy, and they sound terrific. However, strapping on a real Les Paul brings me right back to reality. I experienced the fret problem that you spoke of on my AL-3100, but I don't find any of the problems with my current Agile that you've stated, save for the electronics which need to be replaced. The wood sounds fine to me and I will say that my 2000 with a Super D bridge does sound less lively than a real Gibson, but it STILL sounds great. I think that's where people may go overboard stating that these Agiles are as good as/better than Gibsons etc. They surely are not, but they are still--IMHO--great guitars that are worth more than what they get for them.
I said before that a Les Paul is like a Ferrari, and an Agile is like a big block Camaro. The Ferrari is the best. It's better looking, better sounding (matter of opinion) handles better, faster, the works. But you'll still have a dang good time in that big block Camaro and some may even like it better. If I were playing out, I'd have no problem whatsoever playing a Turser or Agile once the pickups were replaced and the Turser had a tech do some magic. If something were to happen to a guitar I'd also rather have it happen to a Turser or Agile than a Les Paul. The obvious needs to be said though, and that is that we all "feel" things differently. When I hold an Agile, I don't feel a cheap guitar. I feel a good quality instrument. When I hold a Jay Turser, I feel a cheap guitar without question. Jerry feels a cheap guitar when he holds an Agile. That's just two human beings being human beings is all. To him, it's a cheap guitar, and the record shows that it is. It all depends on what we expect of our guitars. If we KNOW what a Gibson Les Paul truly feels and sounds like, and that is what we want or expect from an Agile, then prepare for disappointment.
You can't compare an Agile to a Gibson. Well you can, but the Agile loses. With that said, I'd buy another ten Agiles in a heartbeat. I love them.
For all you guys bashing Norlin Les Pauls...:chairshot
I've owned three and they were all three good guitars, with one being freaking great. My 75LP was a struggle to match pickups to, but I've found the best match and it sounds and plays like a Les Paul should. So there, buttwipes :nana:.
Okay, that was all in good fun. But seriously here, my buddy has three brand new Les Pauls including a Jimmy Page model, and all three are nicer than my 75. The Norlin era may have produced lesser guitars, but they still don't suck. My 73 Deluxe was as good sounding and playing as most modern production line Les Pauls.
Now--I've owned two Agiles. My 3100 was a great guitar, and believe it or not, my 2000 is even better and only cost me $150 shipped. I've said that after awhile, it can make me forget that I'm not playing a real Les Paul, and they could; simply because they play nice and easy, and they sound terrific. However, strapping on a real Les Paul brings me right back to reality. I experienced the fret problem that you spoke of on my AL-3100, but I don't find any of the problems with my current Agile that you've stated, save for the electronics which need to be replaced. The wood sounds fine to me and I will say that my 2000 with a Super D bridge does sound less lively than a real Gibson, but it STILL sounds great. I think that's where people may go overboard stating that these Agiles are as good as/better than Gibsons etc. They surely are not, but they are still--IMHO--great guitars that are worth more than what they get for them.
I said before that a Les Paul is like a Ferrari, and an Agile is like a big block Camaro. The Ferrari is the best. It's better looking, better sounding (matter of opinion) handles better, faster, the works. But you'll still have a dang good time in that big block Camaro and some may even like it better. If I were playing out, I'd have no problem whatsoever playing a Turser or Agile once the pickups were replaced and the Turser had a tech do some magic. If something were to happen to a guitar I'd also rather have it happen to a Turser or Agile than a Les Paul. The obvious needs to be said though, and that is that we all "feel" things differently. When I hold an Agile, I don't feel a cheap guitar. I feel a good quality instrument. When I hold a Jay Turser, I feel a cheap guitar without question. Jerry feels a cheap guitar when he holds an Agile. That's just two human beings being human beings is all. To him, it's a cheap guitar, and the record shows that it is. It all depends on what we expect of our guitars. If we KNOW what a Gibson Les Paul truly feels and sounds like, and that is what we want or expect from an Agile, then prepare for disappointment.
You can't compare an Agile to a Gibson. Well you can, but the Agile loses. With that said, I'd buy another ten Agiles in a heartbeat. I love them.
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