NGD Agile 3100 Review..Agile Vs. Gibson Les Paul

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+1. ........ There's plenty of guys with expensive guitars that don't have the chops, and look pretty dumb when they get on stage and play guitar hero.

If you live in a run-down house and drive an unreliable old car, but own some high-end guitars, you're a hero on this forum. Every one else you know (starting with your family) would probably call you irresponsible and immature, all the more so if you're a mediocre player. I guess it all depends on who you're talking to.

Ouch.

I live in a run-down old house and drive an old car. My clothes are shabby, and usually come from second-hand shops. My guitars are filled with Callaham bridges and BKP pickups. I build my own amps using paper-in-oil caps and other expensive components. In other words, i throw a lot of money into equipment. I certainly don't see myself as a hero here or anywhere else,and wouldn't want to be seen that way. I'm just an individual with a passion and lucky enough to be able to have choices in what i do and how i do it.

Can i play any good ? I have no idea, that's for other people to form opinions about. But i enjoy playing. I never married, i have no kids and i don't work. After rent, food and bills, all my remaining money goes into music. I don't gamble or drink or do anything else that soaks up my money.

Some people put all their money into their cars, golf clubs, social life, drinking, gambling, whatever. It's their choice. A beginner can start on a Custom Shop instrument and a seasoned pro can play an Agile. As long as they're happy and their choices haven't left someone else suffering because of it, that's fine too.

Some people probably can't afford or can't justify buying a Gibson, Fender, Hamer or whatever, and it sounds like Agile is one of the brands that allows those people to own an instrument in the style of what they aspire to, and it seems natural that if it makes them happy, they will express their joy in what they have, even if that sometimes means they end up saying "This is as good as the big guys products".

There are probably just as many people who have saved and bought an expensive guitar of their dreams, only to find out it didn't make them happy.

I don't see how it's irresponsible or immature to indulge oneself in music gear if it's not adversely affecting anyone else. We should celebrate the diversity and differences. Young beginners nowdays can get some pretty darn good gear quite cheaply to get themselves started, and there are some incredible products available for those with large wallets. Not to mention the vast array of mid-range products.

If someone owns Gibsons but likes their Agile better, they are free to say so. Years ago, when i was teaching guitar students, one of the young ones told me he didn't like his new strings .... "They sound too twangy". He preferred the sound of his old, dead strings. It was hard to argue against that.
 
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Owned doesn't even begin to describe what crusty just did to blueman...
 
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That's just from the first two pages of one thread. Now most of what was quoted there is opinion, but come on man, that's a joke. I invite anyone on this forum with an Agile to come to my house and compare their guitar to any of my Gibsons. I guarantee you that they will leave here thinking that their Agile feels like a toy.

I expected this. You took MY comment out of context. That thread was started by someone asking specifically about Agiles. He was a family man on a budget and was looking for guitars in a specific price range and wanted opinions on AGILES! After you and Empty Pockets and possibly a couple other people virtually insulted, humiliated and castrated the man for not considering a "real guitar" and that what he was choosing was crap did I make that comment.

I stand behind what I said and in the context of the original post, for someone who cannot afford a Gibson, an Agile is going to provide them with everything they would want from an LP style guitar with the exception of the name Gibson on the headstock. I stand behind what I said in that, for me, there is NO difference between my Gibson and my Agile. Meaning, there is no tangible difference that impacts the way in which I manipulate, interact with and play the guitar. Meaning, there is no discernable difference in the tone that I achieve outside of the impact which the pick-ups will provide. What that means is whatever the differences are that make the Gibson better mean absolutely NOTHING to me and that my experiance is unaltered by their exclusion.

I'm surprised that by your age you haven't learned that peoples values and priorities are different. Just because you think nothing compares to a Gibson doesn't make you right and if you are right than you need a refresher course in manners and humility.
 
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I don't see how it's irresponsible or immature to indulge oneself in music gear if it's not adversely affecting anyone else.

Hey, if you live by yourself, and put most of your money into gear, no problem. My point was most of us don't live alone, and if your wife and kids are doing without so you can accumulate a pile of high-end equipment, then there might be a priority issue. Then it impacts other people, and it may not be so cool. If you can simultaneously take good care of your family, by all means, indulge yourself with guitars and amps. There should be a reasonable balance when other people are depending on you for support.
 
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...I'm starting to think a lot of people just can't tell the difference..

and to some extent, some people don't care about the difference or feel that they are significant


In the case with those folks, I wish them all the best with their Agiles, etc. and don't hold myself superior to them...
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Exactly. My parents taught me not to flaunt my successses, especially towards those that are less fortunate

I have to spend more money to enjoy my instruments as much as they enjoy theirs - that's not exactly superiority in my book.

LOL, that's funny
 
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Hey, if you live by yourself, and put most of your money into gear, no problem. My point was most of us don't live alone, and if your wife and kids are doing without so you can accumulate a pile of high-end equipment, then there might be a priority issue. Then it impacts other people, and it may not be so cool. If you can simultaneously take good care of your family, by all means, indulge yourself with guitars and amps. There should be a reasonable balance when other people are depending on you for support.

It's like the "don't spend $90 on a Mighty Mite neck, when you can get a Warmoth for $150" comments. Well, $60 is a bill that has to be paid and some people have to carefully budget and even the $90 neck could have been spent on the power bill or saved in the kids' college fund. For me, that was splurging. But for others that might be a reasonable option.
 
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and to some extent, some people don't care about the difference or feel that they are significant

I pretty much said that in the one line from my post which you didn't quote, but I think we agree anyway.

Exactly. My parents taught me not to flaunt my successses, especially towards those that are less fortunate

It's not about fortune as much as it is priority.

There are plenty of people here that might net more cash than I do after the bills are paid who still spend less on their guitar equipment.

The inverse is probably true too.

Some folks don't like to sock money away until they have enough for a higher-quality instrument. Some folks don't see the point. A win is when those two traits exist in the same person.

For better or worse, I am neither.

LOL, that's funny

Note that for me it's not the amount of money spent from which I derive my enjoyment of a guitar or amp.

It's the increase in quality the added investment often makes available to me; one which I do perceive and do enjoy.

That said, there are some really nice guitars that can be had cheaply - and in those cases I enjoy them just as much as the higher-ticket guitars. Personally I don't own one guitar at the moment that you couldn't go out and buy yourself for less than two grand. And one of my all-time faves is my $800 new Highway 1 Texas Tele. The only thing I upgraded on it was the bridge, and it's a great guitar.

I've had to file the fret ends about two times... they probably didn't let the neck wood dry out enough before fretting it, but the wood is good quality and the guitar plays and sounds great.
 
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Amp, AMP, AMP!!!

I think it's been said over and over that the main priority should be the device converting the tiny signal coming from the guitar to a big sound that should be the first priority if you have to make a compromise. If you have $3000 and that's it for a guitar/amp, it's probably smart to at least split the difference and spend $1500 on a guitar and $1500 for the amp and for me, I'd even go the under $1000 guitar and the rest on a killer amp and speaker cab. You could get a $600 "M" top-line Agile, put Custom Shop pickups in it, take it to a pro to fret and setup and spend the rest on a really killer amp and be perfectly happy. Using the EVH example on the "1984" record, it's really hard to tell that he was using a '58 Flying V on Hot For Teacher, when you compare it to the rest of the tracks recorded with the 1984 Kramer or the Ripley used on Top Jimmy. The AMP and his skill is what made his sound, not the guitar.
 
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If you think that 60$ is going to make or break your kids college fund . . . well . . . let's jut pray for your kids.

A little adds up. My grandma's method getting my grandpa to quit smoking, involved her putting the exact same money in a jar every time he bought a pack... after a year or so, he was so blown away by the money it added up to, he quit. Again, not everybody can blow money around like the wind and when I hear about guys on there who are like, "Yeah, I've got a '78 model laying in a drawer somewhere" it makes me sick to my stomach. $160 is a lot of money to us right now. It's not so much "make or break" but the complete disconnection our modern society has with the future investments we can make by NOT blowing money every time it hits your bank account, or using credit cards like our Federal Government wastes our tax money. It's a sickness, born by 100 years of irresponsibility by the "big guys" upstairs giving us bad examples from the top. The mentality of "disposable income" is exactly what has landed us in such debt trouble, both on the consumer level and macroeconomic level.
 
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If you think that 60$ is going to make or break your kids college fund . . . well . . . let's jut pray for your kids.

You just wait, LOL!!! My daughters tuition is costing me $30,000 a year and that's after her scholarships, etc.... it also doesn't include books and supplies, travel expenses, living expenses and a dozen others expenses.

Once you start making an exception for $10 here and $60 there, it becomes easier to make another.
 
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My youngest is 2. If I put aside $60/week, that would equate to nearly $50,000 by the time he's college age. Of course, I'd rather he go the Frank Zappa route, educate himself and be motivated enough to make the most of his talents. He's already a heck of a drummer for 2. :)
 
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It's funny how we're so often talking about extreme examples of incongruity -- Joe Bonamassa with an Agile, a poor player with a Custom Shop Gibson. How 'bout a decent player with an Epiphone, or a phenomenal player with a $3,000 ESP?

Could the Epiphone guy do all the same stuff and sound as good with a randomly chosen $89 pawnshop special? Would he sound better with Duncans instead of stock pickups? What about the ESP? Could he do all that with a $1,000 LTD? Are we going to tell him he doesn't need to spend the extra $2k because he's good enough to make anything sound great? What about a player who's not quite phenomenal but is still really good? Is he allowed to have the $3k guitar?

Our world is probably more like a continuum of all these things than a constellation of cherry-picked examples made up specifically to win arguments on Internet forums. It's easy to bully people into agreeing with you if you offer one clearly positive scenario and pit it against a clearly undesirable one. A gentleman down in the Sound Room recently:

…it's a slick debate tactic to compare only the best of the group you favor with only the worst of the group you oppose…

Zhangliqun makes a whole lot of sense here. If you tell someone, "Hey, you can have a flashy sports car that breaks down all the time, or you can have a sensible family sedan that's very reliable", you're forcing the association between reliable and family cars, between flaky and sports cars. What if the guy wants, and can afford, an expensive, flashy sports car that happens to be reliable? What about something that's a little more expensive but a lot more fun and still reliable?

By the same token, playing cheap guitars doesn't make you a good player, and playing expensive guitars doesn't make you a bad one. Or vice versa. For example, owning a Gibson V and a couple of $2k shredsticks doesn't make me a bad player. Refusing to break bad habits, and not practicing, now that's what makes me a bad player. It doesn't matter, though. I play by myself or with friends. And my friends don't laugh at me because of my equipment; they laugh at me because I'm drunk and playing the chorus from the wrong song.

Now, did I think those guitars were going to impress other people? It never crossed my mind. I don't care. Make me a better player? Maybe. And here's why: Some guitars are crafted with such precision that they insist on being played as musical instruments. If you fret wrong, bend imprecisely, don't have your intonation set just right -- they'll tell you. A lot of guitars will let me get away with slop playing, but those $2k shredsticks don't. When I pick them up, I've got to be serious. They make me slow down and think more about what I'm playing, partly because what I play on them sounds so good that I want to savor it. That JEM is basswood and has Breeds in it; it's just the right balance of hot PAF goodness in a guitar that plays like, literally, a dream. Or a metaphysical experience. Ibanez makes some amazing instruments at the high end. And the Soloist caught my ear because it crunches with sincerity. It crunches all the way down to its core. Aside from that, they looked cool, I wanted them, and I had the money.
 
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It's funny how we're so often talking about extreme examples of incongruity -- Joe Bonamassa with an Agile, a poor player with a Custom Shop Gibson. How 'bout a decent player with an Epiphone, or a phenomenal player with a $3,000 ESP?

Could the Epiphone guy do all the same stuff and sound as good with a randomly chosen $89 pawnshop special? Would he sound better with Duncans instead of stock pickups? What about the ESP? Could he do all that with a $1,000 LTD? Are we going to tell him he doesn't need to spend the extra $2k because he's good enough to make anything sound great? What about a player who's not quite phenomenal but is still really good? Is he allowed to have the $3k guitar?

Our world is probably more like a continuum of all these things than a constellation of cherry-picked examples made up specifically to win arguments on Internet forums. It's easy to bully people into agreeing with you if you offer one clearly positive scenario and pit it against a clearly undesirable one. A gentleman down in the Sound Room recently:



Zhangliqun makes a whole lot of sense here. If you tell someone, "Hey, you can have a flashy sports car that breaks down all the time, or you can have a sensible family sedan that's very reliable", you're forcing the association between reliable and family cars, between flaky and sports cars. What if the guy wants, and can afford, an expensive, flashy sports car that happens to be reliable? What about something that's a little more expensive but a lot more fun and still reliable?

By the same token, playing cheap guitars doesn't make you a good player, and playing expensive guitars doesn't make you a bad one. Or vice versa. For example, owning a Gibson V and a couple of $2k shredsticks doesn't make me a bad player. Refusing to break bad habits, and not practicing, now that's what makes me a bad player. It doesn't matter, though. I play by myself or with friends. And my friends don't laugh at me because of my equipment; they laugh at me because I'm drunk and playing the chorus from the wrong song.

Now, did I think those guitars were going to impress other people? It never crossed my mind. I don't care. Make me a better player? Maybe. And here's why: Some guitars are crafted with such precision that they insist on being played as musical instruments. If you fret wrong, bend imprecisely, don't have your intonation set just right -- they'll tell you. A lot of guitars will let me get away with slop playing, but those $2k shredsticks don't. When I pick them up, I've got to be serious. They make me slow down and think more about what I'm playing, partly because what I play on them sounds so good that I want to savor it. That JEM is basswood and has Breeds in it; it's just the right balance of hot PAF goodness in a guitar that plays like, literally, a dream. Or a metaphysical experience. Ibanez makes some amazing instruments at the high end. And the Soloist caught my ear because it crunches with sincerity. It crunches all the way down to its core. Aside from that, they looked cool, I wanted them, and I had the money.

I tried to digest this, but it was like eating Baklava after a 7 course dinner of Pesto Salad, Minnestrone soup, Beef Ravioli , Spaghetti Bolognese, Shrimp Scampi, Italian Pastry, and Gellato ice Cream..
I think I need to either vomit and try again, or wait and come back later.
 
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I tried to digest this, but it was like eating Baklava after a 7 course dinner of Pesto Salad, Minnestrone soup, Beef Ravioli , Spaghetti Bolognese, Shrimp Scampi, Italian Pastry, and Gellato ice Cream..
I think I need to either vomit and try again, or wait and come back later.

Thank you; drive through, please.
 
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