Things you could'nt care less about that the vast majority of guitar players luv...

[ehdwuld]

Head sound different than combos

tubes on top heat goes up
tubes on bottom heat still goes up

Heads are better

But if you are doing an upstairs gig or practice
Grabbing a small 20 or 30 watt combo in one hand and the gigbag in the other.

You guys are debating semantics

Ok I give up

You win

I grow tired of this

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Carrying a 1x12 in one hand, a 20w head in the other, and the gig bag on your back isn't a big deal either, in that case.

I'm not really saying that other people liking or finding a use for combos is bad or anything... it's just that for me, I would never pick one up over a head. I don't see any benefit for the reasons I explained in my post. I've had my fair share of combos, and always wished I would've gone for a head/cab solution rather. Even with 1W heads. Even with 20W solid state practice amps.

 

[Zerberus]

Things I don´t care about (anymore) that others obsess about..... hmmm...

1. While I´m quite waery of many "standard" discussions to a certain point (Tonewoods, weight vs sustain /resonance, scale Tempering), I do still care.... But I´ve also come to realize that for most people none of them will ever matter and /or they only matter because they´re playing exclusively for themselves.

2. My own Live tone beyond the point of being decently useable and not sounding completely "wrong"..... The drunk guy hitting on women at the bar isn´t going to care, the drunk women he´s hitting on aren´t going to care, the only people that are going to care are the handfull of guitar players that were watching your fingers more than listening to the music. So I just set my rack up, hook it up to my cabs, turn it on, play for a minute to make sure there are no major issues and that my axes arte in tune, and then I´m off to teh bar, too :beerchug:

 

['59]

This thread apparently

 

[Securb]

Grabbing a small 20 or 30 watt combo in one hand and the gigbag in the other.

Not gonna happen with my 30-watt combo

 

[weepingminotaur]

Any effects beyond the basics: dirt, chorus, reverb, delay, compression, noise gate

Floyd Roses and trem bars in general. Don't like 'em, don't have much use for 'em. Give me a hardtail bridge every time.

EVH. If I have the algorithms placing one more "article" on EVH tone in my social media feed...

Boutique anything -- amps, guitars, pedals, whatever.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

and /or they only matter because they´re playing exclusively for themselves.

I personally don't see anything wrong with playing and tone-chasing for oneself.

 

[weepingminotaur]

I'm actually the other way around. Most older metal production.

Like... I don't hear what people like about Master of Puppets, for example. Other than the nostalgia factor, of course. I mean, the songs are good. Not my style of Metal, but I can appreciate the significance. At the time, it must have hit hard. But the production.... errr... Phasey guitars that sound so distant and cardboard-y drums drenched in reverb that manage to sound both small and washy. JMO.

IMO, that's kinda like people who say old amps sound better than new ones. But technology is moving forwards, not backwards.

With you on this one. Older metal production generally sucks. Especially that tinny, scooped '80s crap. Love the songs, hate the production for the most part. Not a fan of the "smiley face" EQ setting. Mids are not your enemy.

Vastly prefer modern metal production.

 

[ErikH]

Ok, something that came to mind that a lot of players seem to lose their mind over...... Strymon effects pedals. To me they are just another boutique pedal with fancy features. Sure, they sound great but I can't justify spending money on a pedal that costs as much as my amp, or more in one case. I'm perfectly happy with less expensive offerings that do the same thing. My main delay on my Worship pedalboard is a Joyo Aquarius, which is a great sounding delay BTW, and I have a Boss DM-2w that I love for that analog sound.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

With you on this one. Older metal production generally sucks. Especially that tinny, scooped '80s crap. Love the songs, hate the production for the most part. Not a fan of the "smiley face" EQ setting. Mids are not your enemy.

Vastly prefer modern metal production.

I don't mind scooped. I like scooped. Scooping in the right areas make guitars fit a mix well.

I like my mids as well. V30's, high output pickups, Tube Screamers, and SM57's put the mids where they need to be, IME. But overdoing is also detrimental.

For me about the old stuff is mostly the cardboardy underproduced drums drenched in reverb that kinda sound like garage bands' demos sound nowadays.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

For every band that had cardboardy underproduced reverb-drenched drums back then you have a band with crappy overproduced/clicky fake/typewriter sounding triggered drums today

I'm not a fan of the average modern compressed to hell flat guitar sound with zero dynamics either (99% of the time courtesy of a 5150/6505 [or more often Kemper profile] & V30's/V30 IR's...)

It depends on the individual album. I think there were great sounding ones back then (mostly the underground stuff...not a fan of overproduced LA bands w/ studio musicians) as well as now..

 

[Rex_Rocker]

I LOVE typewriter kicks, LOL.

I guess we need to define "Modern".

My favorite-sounding records are from the mid to late 90's or the early 2000's. But from the 2000's, I feel like we're starting to get in the "modern" (or more like "contemporary") sound that we have now today as well.

One kind of sound that I'll never be a fan of is Djent other than Meshuggah. But the production on Meshuggah records sounds NOTHING like Periphery's at all. Periphery is the epitome of what I don't like in contemporary Metal... if you can even call them that.

That being said, I love what Nolly did with Bleed From Within.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

A few off the top of my head that I think rule (though I've probably forgotten a bunch that I think rule more) :bigthumb:

Then:

Now (kinda):

..and that's all pure heavy metal ...not even getting into my fave thrash/death/doom metal/extreme metal etc sounds..

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[Clint 55]

How could you not like classic metal production? I love classic metal sounds.

For every band that had cardboardy underproduced reverb-drenched drums back then you have a band with crappy overproduced/clicky fake/typewriter sounding triggered drums today

:laughing:

 

[weepingminotaur]

I don't mind scooped. I like scooped. Scooping in the right areas make guitars fit a mix well.

I like my mids as well. V30's, high output pickups, Tube Screamers, and SM57's put the mids where they need to be, IME. But overdoing is also detrimental.

For me about the old stuff is mostly the cardboardy underproduced drums drenched in reverb that kinda sound like garage bands' demos sound nowadays.

Yeah, fair enough. I think my beef with '80s metal production is the combination of scooped mids plus that awful cardboard drum sound and too much reverb everywhere.

No shade on them. Thrash was in its infancy and producers were still struggling how to capture that sound in the studio.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

This is Metal sounding great.

Certainly not modern, though. That record is like 30 years old now.

 

[Chistopher]

I'm also not a big fan of romanticizing and melodramatic gear reviews. Gear reviews are like political bumper stickers, less is more, and if you have too many it makes me wonder if your opinion was founded on sound reasoning.

 

[Mincer]

I'm also not a big fan of romanticizing and melodramatic gear reviews. Gear reviews are like political bumper stickers, less is more, and if you have too many it makes me wonder if your opinion was founded on sound reasoning.

...and longer than 4 minutes, I ain't watching. Who thinks lots of people are going to watch 1 hour pedal reviews?

 

[El Dunco]

I'm actually the other way around. Most older metal production.

Like... I don't hear what people like about Master of Puppets, for example. Other than the nostalgia factor, of course. I mean, the songs are good. Not my style of Metal, but I can appreciate the significance. At the time, it must have hit hard. But the production.... errr... Phasey guitars that sound so distant and cardboard-y drums drenched in reverb that manage to sound both small and washy. JMO.

IMO, that's kinda like people who say old amps sound better than new ones. But technology is moving forwards, not backwards.

Those records are first and foremost about the songs. I don’t think anyone disputes that by today’s standards, Puppets sounds thin and dated to people who aren’t used to it, arguably even for the time as there are also those who feel Reign In Blood absolutely captured the power Puppets should have sonically. Capturing extreme genres of metal was in its infancy back then and younger metal fans sometimes need to get passed what they feel is a “retro” quality of those early Metallica albums, I’m guessing because of the drum reverb dating it to the 80s in their mind, but if you need anymore convincing how well the songs hold up in spite of their production, check out some more contemporary remixes! No more phasey guitars and small, overly reverbed drums.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

I like long gear reviews. People listen to podcasts while they work. I listen to gear reviews.