Tube Amp Snobbery Apology
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LLL
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You can get tube response/feel if you preface the SS/digital device with a tube preamp. For example, I use a Universal Audio 2-610 before my software amp (BIAS plugin).
You can get tube response/feel if you preface the SS/digital device with a tube preamp. For example, I use a Universal Audio 2-610 before my software amp (BIAS plugin).
Diego
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The only thing that gives me away the fact that I'm using software when playing through Amplitube or Guitar Rig,
is that things like fuzz pedal patches do not react the same way as in real-life when you roll the volume back.
Other than that? 95% of the fundamentals are there and the flexibility compared to a tube setup is ridiculous.
I've used my laptop + Amplitube and a couple of pedals from time to time for small gigs and it's crazy how good it is.
The only thing that gives me away the fact that I'm using software when playing through Amplitube or Guitar Rig,
is that things like fuzz pedal patches do not react the same way as in real-life when you roll the volume back.
Other than that? 95% of the fundamentals are there and the flexibility compared to a tube setup is ridiculous.
I've used my laptop + Amplitube and a couple of pedals from time to time for small gigs and it's crazy how good it is.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
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I have some great tube amps but I love my solid states. My Randall Commander 410, Roland JC 120, and Fender M80 all have a vibe that is beyond cool. I do not think one technology is better than the other, they both have great applications for music.
I have some great tube amps but I love my solid states. My Randall Commander 410, Roland JC 120, and Fender M80 all have a vibe that is beyond cool. I do not think one technology is better than the other, they both have great applications for music.
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I worked for a DSP manufacturer way back in the 90s and did a large scale, blind study... Models against tubes... Even in the 90s, it took golden ears to tell the difference out of the mix.
In the mix? Totally random.
Best of the best in nville la and nyc couldnt tell the difference on average- no single individual scored significantly above average.
Of course my tubes come out to play every night and 90% of recording is tube because I love them.
Give me the time and $ and the tube wins.
But when weight and flexibility come first, my models are ready to go-
in the mix it doesn't matter but it would be nice to have a modern study to revisit.
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I worked for a DSP manufacturer way back in the 90s and did a large scale, blind study... Models against tubes... Even in the 90s, it took golden ears to tell the difference out of the mix.
In the mix? Totally random.
Best of the best in nville la and nyc couldnt tell the difference on average- no single individual scored significantly above average.
Of course my tubes come out to play every night and 90% of recording is tube because I love them.
Give me the time and $ and the tube wins.
But when weight and flexibility come first, my models are ready to go-
in the mix it doesn't matter but it would be nice to have a modern study to revisit.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk
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Little Pigbacon
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I'm not afraid to admit I'm kind of a tube snob. I'm sure a lot of the appeal for me is placebo effect. I just like knowing there are tubes cooking away in the amp I'm playing through. It's sexy.
I'm not afraid to admit I'm kind of a tube snob. I'm sure a lot of the appeal for me is placebo effect. I just like knowing there are tubes cooking away in the amp I'm playing through. It's sexy.
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Little Pigbacon
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I would say some solid-state amps lack dynamics. So do some tube amps. Maybe the batting average is higher with tubes.
I would say some solid-state amps lack dynamics. So do some tube amps. Maybe the batting average is higher with tubes.
MetalManiac
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Lew, sell me that obsolete outmoded Blkface Dlx Reverb of yours before it's totally worthless. i just want it for curiosities sake.I'll pay you salvage price.
Lew, sell me that obsolete outmoded Blkface Dlx Reverb of yours before it's totally worthless. i just want it for curiosities sake.I'll pay you salvage price.
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Little Pigbacon
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Jerry will dispose of it in an environmentally responsible manner.
Jerry will dispose of it in an environmentally responsible manner.
MetalManiac
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Little Pigbacon
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Little Pigbacon
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I have my Line 6 stuff programmed not to amplify it when I underbend.
I have my Line 6 stuff programmed not to amplify it when I underbend.
beaubrummels
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I play Solid Tube State amps. I win the internet.
I play Solid Tube State amps. I win the internet.
treyhaislip
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So what about those of us who use Tube and SS? :?:
Or musicians who just like Tubes for tube amp qualities and SS/Hybrid for their qualities.
Very subjective.
I prefer Tube amps for the feel; however, I push them with SS pedals for drive, boost, etc. And the Yamaha THR series has made me a huge fan of their tone...SS stuff there.
Just go with what works for you, majority of people in the audience (live or listening to a recording) could care less what was used.
So what about those of us who use Tube and SS? :?:
Or musicians who just like Tubes for tube amp qualities and SS/Hybrid for their qualities.
Very subjective.
I prefer Tube amps for the feel; however, I push them with SS pedals for drive, boost, etc. And the Yamaha THR series has made me a huge fan of their tone...SS stuff there.
Just go with what works for you, majority of people in the audience (live or listening to a recording) could care less what was used.
LLL
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The truth about snobbery:
If you have any sort of gear/tone preference (and who doesn't?), then you are a snob... because there's always someone out there who will take your preferences personally, get all butthurt about it, and call you a "snob".
They don't call it "discriminating tastes" for nothing.
It's impossible and entirely unreasonable to expect people to love everything and hate nothing.
The truth about snobbery:
If you have any sort of gear/tone preference (and who doesn't?), then you are a snob... because there's always someone out there who will take your preferences personally, get all butthurt about it, and call you a "snob".
They don't call it "discriminating tastes" for nothing.
It's impossible and entirely unreasonable to expect people to love everything and hate nothing.
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Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
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Snobbery is someone that spends a mortgage payment on a vintage Marshall and feels that anyone that is using something else is uninformed or lacking in some way. Most of the cork sniffing gear that is bought in this world is heard by no one but the owner. The funny thing is most of the vintage Strats and Teles of the world are sitting on some Dentist's office wall or in a Lawyers office. Probally next to a vintage Blackface or JTM 45 no one will ever hear. It is kind of sad really.
Snobbery is someone that spends a mortgage payment on a vintage Marshall and feels that anyone that is using something else is uninformed or lacking in some way. Most of the cork sniffing gear that is bought in this world is heard by no one but the owner. The funny thing is most of the vintage Strats and Teles of the world are sitting on some Dentist's office wall or in a Lawyers office. Probally next to a vintage Blackface or JTM 45 no one will ever hear. It is kind of sad really.
