WTH Gibson?

[treyhaislip]

If they were such mediocre trash, they would have fallen by the wayside decades ago.

They literally went bankrupt...just saying :kabong:

 

[Chris Pile]

and by the way the VW company was founded by the British Government.

NEIN! Revisionist history.

 

[formula73]

They literally went bankrupt...just saying :kabong:

BUT they still exist and are recognized as the standard. Business mistakes and marketing practices aren’t directly related to the quality of their product. That’s a logical fallacy and you know it.

 

[Securb]

Finally, rear engine/rear axle was around before the First World War. Karl Benz and Henry Ford designs leap to mind.

I did not say they were first. But they set a standard.

The Beetle marked a significant trend, led by Volkswagen, and then by Fiat and Renault, whereby the rear-engine, rear-wheel-drive layout increased from 2.6 percent of continental Western Europe's car production in 1946 to 26.6 percent in 1956.[21] In 1959 even General Motors launched an air-cooled, rear-engined car, the Chevrolet Corvair—which also shared the Beetle's flat engine and swing axle architecture.

 

[Aceman]

Since Gibson made them first, it's super bull**** that Dimarzio was able to patent double cream humbuckers as though they came up with the idea. That's like if Gibson patented all black guitars - total bull****, and not something they invented.

And in the same vein, they didn't protect it. Larry did.

The REAL issue is a shape or a color being copyright/trademark/patented is ridiculous.

 

[Aceman]

in the case of a car -primarily the shape -as the color is selectable and motors and parts are shared with other models and even makes.

Here is the thing - I mistake a LOT of cars for the wrong make/model/style and color.

 

[Aceman]

Woah woah woah.

Robot tuners are cool, the problem with them is they put a niche, yet expensive idea, on too many of their guitars thus driving the average Gibson price up.

It would be like if Fender randomly started putting Kahler's on all their guitars.

Gibson raises the prices of their Guitars because the sun comes up January 1st. Not be cause of anything they do that is more expensive, and especially LESS expensive.

 

[Aceman]

Name me one time in history when mediocre was desirable, legendary, and the standard of the world...

Nickelback

 

[NegativeEase]

Here is the thing - I mistake a LOT of cars for the wrong make/model/style and color.

yeah, thats fair -think about how the Audi/VW sedan look in 1992 changed ever car makes look in the 90s to mimic it.

 

[NegativeEase]

NEIN! Revisionist history.

The British Army organized and started the private company that you call Volkswagen today in 1946 and then turned it over into German hands half a decade later.

That is the facts

 

[Chris Pile]

The British Army organized and started the private company that you call Volkswagen today in 1946 and then turned it over into German hands half a decade later.

You just proved my point. The world recognizes that VW was started by Nazis, for Nazis. They don't know and don't care what hand the Brits had in it.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Name me one time in history when mediocre was desirable, legendary, and the standard of the world...

I NEVER said nor even hinted that Gibson was always mediocre. That's just a ridiculously stupid statement! In fact, I even admitted that their name, their brand recognition, their well-built reputation is what keeps them going today. In the early days of amplified music, Gibson was the best at making well-designed, desirable, quality instruments at a reasonable price. That's how they built their name, their brand recognition. Three of my first 5 guitars were Gibson because they were the best available. And they were all under $500 brand new from retailers (my first Gibson, an ES-330 was under $300). They were within $50 of their competitors. This is NOT so today. TODAY is what I'm talking about!

I swear sometimes I think that you either don't bother to read or try to understand my posts or you don't know how.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Can I see some pics? I've played some nice Gibsons, and 10x better in every respect would be cool to see.

Absolutely. I'll try to get some up in the next few days.

 

[GuitarDoc]

desirable - Everyone wanted a bug or a bug wagon for decades
legendary - everyone recognizes the car, it is a huge piece of pop culture
standard of the world - It is one of the if not the first "affordable" cars to be followed by everything from the Yugo to the Civic. Volkswagen also made rear engine, rear axle design a new standard. It wasn't the first but made the design popular.

mediocre - it is bare bones no luxury, just a point a to point b vehicle.

Yes, remember that the Beatle was designed to be the "peoples vehicle"...it filled the need in every area for the average/majority of citizens AT THE TIME, including cost (which was less than $2000). It absolutely does NOT fill the same needs TODAY!

 

[GuitarDoc]

You hit the first two points, but it is not (and never was) the standard of the world. It was however a known quantity - same as McDonalds.

You're wrong...again, Goober.

For the niche that the Volkswagen was intended to fill, there was none better...it WAS the standard, not just in Germany, but in all of Europe, Asia, Russia, etc.

 

[GuitarDoc]

BUT they still exist and are recognized as the standard. Business mistakes and marketing practices aren’t directly related to the quality of their product. That’s a logical fallacy and you know it.

Their "NAME" is recognized as the standard. That reputation was built over many years of producing great instruments at reasonable prices.

The business mistakes and marketing practices are not necessarily directly related to quality, but, yes, indeed, they are related. You all complain about eras when Gibson's quality was poor due to business/leadership/marketing practices. Not a fallacy!

 

[Securb]

You hit the first two points, but it is not (and never was) the standard of the world. It was however a known quantity - same as McDonalds.

McDonald's sets all standards for fast food restaurants. The rest of the industry has been imitating not only their menu but also their marketing and business processes for years. Not only in the restaurant and food industry but McDonald's has also been a case study in leading business schools across all industries.

 

[formula73]

Their "NAME" is recognized as the standard. That reputation was built over many years of producing great instruments at reasonable prices.

The business mistakes and marketing practices are not necessarily directly related to quality, but, yes, indeed, they are related. You all complain about eras when Gibson's quality was poor due to business/leadership/marketing practices. Not a fallacy!

Define ‘you all’. I’ve had many Gibsons, like many others here, but the only one I’ve kept is a 73 LPC, shallow carve, 3pc neck, volute, pancake, and all. It’s a brilliant instrument.

I know that doesn’t make them ALL good, but in all of the Gibbys I’ve owned, some bought over the internet without a playthrough, not a single one was one of the ‘bad’ ones. Sometimes I didn’t get along with a fret size, neck profile, or particular pickup, but none were ‘bad’.

 

[Securb]

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[NegativeEase]

You just proved my point. The world recognizes that VW was started by Nazis, for Nazis. They don't know and don't care what hand the Brits had in it.

Yeah, Im not saying the design and creation of the VW wasnt a Nazi initiative.

Im saying the Volkswagen company you have known your whole life (VAGCOM) was a British organized private enterprise.

I'm not trying whitewash the Nazi origin. -But the VW company is not a Nazi enterprise in the same way NASA is not a NAZI enterprise -thats all