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  • #61
    Re: Ibanez wood fraud

    Originally posted by AlexR View Post
    ... they only want to stir up a fuss that is wholly unrelated to the reality of the useful aspects of the guitar. This is the forum equivalent of clickbait.
    OP here, two things:

    1) Not wholly unrelated: the bass sounded thin, and had weak sustain. Because the 2017 Ibz catalogue claimed the bass was made of mahogany, but the wood wasn't reddish (as I had understood mahogany to be), I assumed the bad sound was because they used an inferior wood, thus conning their customer (we are all customers here). Turns out adjusting the pickup height solved the tone/sustain problem really well. If the tone was good to begin with, I probably wouldn't have made such a big fuss about it.

    2) Yes, I opted to use the strongest possible term ("fraud") in the title to get attention. Apparently it worked and I found the discussion very worthwhile. Thank you. I learned that some mahogany is white, that "mahogany" isn't strictly "mahogany", and so on. Also learned that adjusting pickup height does so very much for a bass (I'm primarily a guitar player), or maybe it's characteristic of the Powerspan pups to be so sensitive to pup height?

    I agree that it is logical guitar manufacturers would lump similar wood types together under the same banner if that is what suppliers do too (it would be cumbersome, expensive and near impossible for manufacturers to figure out what kind of tree each batch really is). As said, if they really wanted only one exact type of wood, they may run out of supply. That is not feasable for mass produced budget guitars. Given how players are focused on tonewood names (mahogany, maple..) specifying all of this in the catalogues would be confusing and probably offputting. Ultimately, if it sounds good and plays well, who cares what it's made of? I don't. Quite happy with what the bass is for its price, tbh.

    Thanks for chippin' in, y'all.
    Last edited by WDeeGee; 05-23-2020, 12:55 AM.

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    • #62
      Re: Ibanez wood fraud

      Originally posted by ItsaBass View Post
      Please define "good tonewood," or even "tonewood," for that matter, as they relate to electric guitars. Please point us to any research on this topic that provides solid answers as to how the selection of wood species in general can be used to reliably/predictably control the tonal properties of a single electric guitar. If you can, you win the Internet for 1,000 years.

      Go ahead and be annoyed by specs not being as claimed...but please don't bring wives tales about the subjective and nearly impossible to test superiority or inferiority of various "tonewoods" into it. It makes you look foolish.

      I can't even tell the color of the wood that well from your photo. It's not even in focus.
      Doesn't matter. That just means there's even less reason to lie about what it's made from.
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      • #63
        Re: Ibanez wood fraud

        Originally posted by WDeeGee View Post
        if it sounds good and plays well, who cares what it's made of?
        I actually do.

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        • #64
          Re: Ibanez wood fraud

          Someone send a memo to Ibanez: Don't sell to WDeeGee again....

          I'm glad it is working out for you, but again, we are discussing the tone woodz factor in a $299 NEW bass...Point. Completely. Missed.

          #1 Had the glitch not been there I bet you wouldn't have said a word. We'll never know.
          #2 You didn't seem to think adjusting the pups was a thing

          - Always be prepared to return an online purchase
          - Always be prepared to set up any guitar (or bass). Especially a $5k Gibson.

          After that there is ONE and only one rule:

          If it FEELS good, and SOUNDS good, it IS good.
          Last edited by Aceman; 05-24-2020, 06:48 PM.
          Originally posted by Bad City
          He's got the crowd on his side and the blue jean lights in his eyes...

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          • #65
            Re: Ibanez wood fraud

            Aceman is right. In the 70's I had a Western Auto Truetone guitar - basically a double cutaway Harmony hollow body (Red Devil?). I yanked the crappy fake Bigsby and installed a bail-type tailpiece. Had a big fat bound baseball bat of a neck, with triangular shaped fret markers, and 19 brass frets. 3 bolt neck. Sounded great. Play wonderfully. Paid $25 for it at a yard sale.

            Eventually, I put some used DiMarzios in it, and upgraded all the hardware. It was still great. Loaned it to my oldest friend who played it in college, jazz band, stage band, wherever. After 5 years, he gave it back. I played it another 5 years and finally sold it to some student at the store for $150.

            It was a dog**** guitar, and yet we both sit and kick ourselves for letting it go. Good is good, period.
            Last edited by ICTGoober; 05-24-2020, 10:19 PM.

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            • #66
              Re: Ibanez wood fraud

              Originally posted by Demanic View Post
              Hints of Ayn?..

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              • #67
                Re: Ibanez wood fraud

                Originally posted by NegativeEase View Post
                Oh, did you think you smell bullsh*t? that's when you know Kant's in the house.
                Fixed that for you.

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                • #68
                  Re: Ibanez wood fraud

                  Originally posted by NegativeEase View Post
                  Oh, did you think you smell bullsh*t? that's when you know Ayn's in the house.
                  Originally posted by Demanic View Post
                  Oh, did you think you smell bullsh*t? that's when you know Kant's in the house.
                  These aren't mutually exclusive.
                  Originally posted by crusty philtrum
                  And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Ibanez wood fraud

                    Originally posted by TMD View Post
                    Maybe if it's "wholly unrelated to the reality of the useful aspects of the guitar," then they could stop using those relatively meaningless buzzwords to sell their products. It seems to me that guitar players are (1) kept in the dark, (2) blamed for the situation, and (3) denied agency to do anything about it. I am not unsympathetic to the situation of the guitar companies and the factories, but there has to be some balance. If we're expected to let them do whatever they want in regards to building and marketing guitars, maybe we should know a little more about those things. That they're doing.
                    Capitalism & nothing else.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Ibanez wood fraud

                      Originally posted by Demanic View Post
                      Hints of Ayn?..

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                      Hints of reality in a capitalist market with legal repurcussian

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                      • #71
                        Re: Ibanez wood fraud

                        Originally posted by Demanic View Post
                        Hints of Ayn?..

                        Sent from my Alcatel_5044C using Tapatalk
                        Originally posted by NegativeEase View Post
                        Oh, did you think you smell bullsh*t? that's when you know Ayn's in the house.
                        Originally posted by Demanic View Post
                        Fixed that for you.

                        Sent from my Alcatel_5044C using Tapatalk
                        Originally posted by dystrust View Post
                        These aren't mutually exclusive.
                        Originally posted by solspirit View Post
                        Capitalism & nothing else.
                        Thank you all for finally doing what it takes to end this thread.
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                        Yogi Berra was correct.
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                        • #72
                          Re: Ibanez wood fraud

                          Originally posted by Beer$ View Post
                          Doesn't matter. That just means there's even less reason to lie about what it's made from.
                          If everyone understood this.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Ibanez wood fraud

                            Tonewood. Lol

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                            • #74
                              Re: Ibanez wood fraud

                              You said "wood".

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                              • #75
                                Re: Ibanez wood fraud

                                Originally posted by ICTGoober View Post
                                It was a dog**** guitar, and yet we both sit and kick ourselves for letting it go. Good is good, period.
                                Bad guitars can be exciting, too.

                                Seems everyone got so excited about wood that the dowel placed inside the strap button hasn't been scrutinized which to me is the biggest point of interest about that cheapo Ibby. Harder to unscrew or tighten than a pentalobe, wtf you gotta be trollin!?

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