Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)

[tonaholic]

Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)

Yeah as I said in a previous post the outside dimension is the same. Should fit almost every mounting ring. No Trembucker mounting ring needed.

This is true for the Strat set only. The Humbuckers are all self-contained. In the Strat, they all go to the 5-way, then feed the preamp.

So if you have an H/S/H guitar you'd buy the individual single coil that had the preamp in it.

Thanks! That helps a lot! One last question:

Are the coil splits on the humbuckers any different than a traditional coil split? Do they lose volume, have hum etc?

 

[tonaholic]

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Figured that one out when I was nearly finished wiring. What's the HSS set going to be like (if you can reveal at this time)?

I'm a big fan of the Suhr and Ilitch noise reduction systems with your favorite single coils - I feel the Fluence system rivals those solutions to the noise issue.

Good point. The fishman are probably more economical as well!

 

[frankfalbo]

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Thanks! That helps a lot! One last question:

Are the coil splits on the humbuckers any different than a traditional coil split? Do they lose volume, have hum etc?

The coil splits are actually happening in the passive domain, just like with any other humbucker. So there's a volume drop, though it doesn't seem to be to be as dramatic, probably because of the efficiency of each coil. (the way each coil is right up near the string, hearing everything) You can barely hear the hum when split to single coil, because each coil is really quiet and efficient on it's own. It's quite remarkable to split the pickup and think that it's one coil, feeding a preamp, and still way lower noise than any other single.

 

[LReese]

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Good point. The fishman are probably more economical as well!

The single-sized Fishmans cost less than most of the boutique single coil pickups - But they also need a 9 volt battery (or the optional backplate) to operate. Some might not like that - or are stuck in their ways, etc.

The way mine are wired also sounds a bit different - but also I'm hearing a bit more from the wire and wood (the clarity I mentioned earlier). I'll eventually try the other modes which simulate running through a longer cable..

 

[tonaholic]

Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)

The single-sized Fishmans cost less than most of the boutique single coil pickups - But they also need a 9 volt battery (or the optional backplate) to operate. Some might not like that - or are stuck in their ways, etc.

The way mine are wired also sounds a bit different - but also I'm hearing a bit more from the wire and wood (the clarity I mentioned earlier). I'll eventually try the other modes which simulate running through a longer cable..

Yes. My assertion of economics was factoring that the BPNS system without pickups is $300 or so.

Combining boutique pickups like Fralin or Suhr for $250 + $300BPNS = $550.

Fluence are $225 + $100 = $325

That makes fluence highly economical for a (supposedly) true vintage single coil without hum or warts. Oh yeah, then there's the versatility.

 

[DreX]

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Why did they launch the Fluence with only two sounds per model when it's technically capable of an unlimited number of voicings? I'd have liked to have been a fly on the wall at that product development meeting.

 

[frankfalbo]

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I'd have liked to have been a fly on the wall at that product development meeting.

Thanks it's one of, if not the best product development teams an experiences I've had in my entire career. Spend your life learning and inventing, work well with others, and maybe you'll have an experience like that of your own someday. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[dominus]

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Why did they launch the Fluence with only two sounds per model when it's technically capable of an unlimited number of voicings? I'd have liked to have been a fly on the wall at that product development meeting.

I'm guessing they wanted to launch the product first, and then expand it as sales demand.

 

[idsnowdog]

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The single-sized Fishmans cost less than most of the boutique single coil pickups - But they also need a 9 volt battery (or the optional backplate) to operate. Some might not like that - or are stuck in their ways, etc.

The way mine are wired also sounds a bit different - but also I'm hearing a bit more from the wire and wood (the clarity I mentioned earlier). I'll eventually try the other modes which simulate running through a longer cable..

Fishman should sell a phantom power box as an add on. The only thing you need to do is wire the guitar without the battery terminals and deliver the power via the cord. I made my own for powering my EMG and Blackout equipped guitars.

 

[DreX]

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Fishman should sell a phantom power box as an add on. The only thing you need to do is wire the guitar without the battery terminals and deliver the power via the cord. I made my own for powering my EMG and Blackout equipped guitars.

Is there any risk of that frying a passive guitar if it were plugged in by mistake?

 

[DreX]

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I'm guessing they wanted to launch the product first, and then expand it as sales demand.

I hope sales of the existing model are brisk enough to warrant a V2. I'd love a pickup platter for Strat that had a 12 way knob, six single coil sounds, maybe some humbucker approximations and a couple weird voicing that don't exist in nature. A USB hookup that allows crafting the voicing via software would be a killer app for pickup nuts. I think in the age of the amp modeler that has 20 amp models, a faux vintage pickups with only two sounds is about a dozen choices shy of perfection.

 

[idsnowdog]

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Is there any risk of that frying a passive guitar if it were plugged in by mistake?

Probably not because I use tip for positive signal, the first sleeve connection as my hot terminal and the second sleeve connection as my common ground. I have two guitars with active pickups and I haven't mixed them up yet. Here's an aftermarket phantom power device that uses the same principle.

 

[dominus]

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I hope sales of the existing model are brisk enough to warrant a V2. I'd love a pickup platter for Strat that had a 12 way knob, six single coil sounds, maybe some humbucker approximations and a couple weird voicing that don't exist in nature. A USB hookup that allows crafting the voicing via software would be a killer app for pickup nuts. I think in the age of the amp modeler that has 20 amp models, a faux vintage pickups with only two sounds is about a dozen choices shy of perfection.

Just because they have a circuit board doesn't mean these are digital.

 

[Stratman]

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Fishman’s Humbucker style pups has two separate pin connections for the Model (Voice 2) and HF shift.

 

[idsnowdog]

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Fishman’s Humbucker style pups has two separate pin connections for the Model (Voice 2) and HF shift.

I didn't know you were a Star Wars fan? It takes a pretty hard core fan to get a tattoo of chewbacca on your arm.

 

[beaubrummels]

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I hope sales of the existing model are brisk enough to warrant a V2. I'd love a pickup platter for Strat that had a 12 way knob, six single coil sounds, maybe some humbucker approximations and a couple weird voicing that don't exist in nature. A USB hookup that allows crafting the voicing via software would be a killer app for pickup nuts. I think in the age of the amp modeler that has 20 amp models, a faux vintage pickups with only two sounds is about a dozen choices shy of perfection.

Sounds like you want a Variax.

 

[Stratman]

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I didn't know you were a Star Wars fan? It takes a pretty hard core fan to get a tattoo of chewbacca on your arm.

You mean God and the devil!

That’s no chewbacca…
Get your eyes checked and lay off that stuff your mom said would make you go blind…

 

[Securb]

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I hope sales of the existing model are brisk enough to warrant a V2. I'd love a pickup platter for Strat that had a 12 way knob, six single coil sounds, maybe some humbucker approximations and a couple weird voicing that don't exist in nature. A USB hookup that allows crafting the voicing via software would be a killer app for pickup nuts. I think in the age of the amp modeler that has 20 amp models, a faux vintage pickups with only two sounds is about a dozen choices shy of perfection.

How can you say you would not be satisfied with the product if you have never even heard or played it? As usual you are pointing out how YOU would have done things if YOU were the manufacturer and we know you have never even touched this product. Why are you saying this is a dozen choices shy of perfection when you have never even heard the pickups? I have a lot of close personal friends at Fisham that busted their humps on this project. I am proud as hell at what they accomplished. For you to slam what they did with no knowledge of the product whatsoever baffles me.

This is another prime example of you making comments just to be controversial. Once again (with proof) that you have no knowledge of the product or subject you are talking about. Go play a set of the pickups then come back and give us your opinions.

 

[LesStrat]

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Maybe DreX could get a set and review them for us?

I'd like to see the graphs.

 

[LesStrat]

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You mean God and the devil!

That’s no chewbacca…
Get your eyes checked and lay off that stuff your mom said would make you go blind…

Wait, what? You mean that's not Chewie:?::scratchch