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Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
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Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
- Thread starter LReese
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LReese
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Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
I need to get off my sweet bottom and get them installed....
I need to get off my sweet bottom and get them installed....
Stratman
Guitaris Maximus
Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
BLUE WIRE
I found out that you need to either use a switch with the bus wire to go from grounded to open…. Or tape it…. Or ground it…..
Actually, using a switch to go from grounded to open is the correct war to go, even though Fishman’s instruction diagram doesn’t tell you how or what to do but instead read states “HF Tilt (Optional) See instructions insulate if not used”… and the instructions don’t say anything about how to properly connect it, the only thing the manual says is that it is included….
So I called Fishman’s service department (Great people BTW) and after a few minutes I was told that it get connected to ground for the effect or taped for no effect, or it can be used with a SPSD switch that is grounded on one side and open of the other side of the switch…
The only problems is that the pots are all 25K audio and Fishman only furnished one 25K pot with a pull-push pot….
So I order tow more 25K A push-pull pots from Stew-Mac and installed all pot using two 25K push-pull pots (Tone) and one 25k normal pot (Volume) and got it working nicely. (BTW all pots audio taper)
Tone - think about a late 50’s Stratocaster with all the great tones 1,3,5 positions, then same as a 90’s Stratocaster in the 2,4 positions at any volume level… Then kicked up to a sweet hot lead tone by pulling up the bridge tone knob…. Then finally (Blue wire) pulling up on the neck tone, clear highs without that ice pick stuff.
Love them!
PS LReese - I purchased the Fishman battery backplate so I did not have to use a 9V battery.
BLUE WIRE
I found out that you need to either use a switch with the bus wire to go from grounded to open…. Or tape it…. Or ground it…..
Actually, using a switch to go from grounded to open is the correct war to go, even though Fishman’s instruction diagram doesn’t tell you how or what to do but instead read states “HF Tilt (Optional) See instructions insulate if not used”… and the instructions don’t say anything about how to properly connect it, the only thing the manual says is that it is included….
So I called Fishman’s service department (Great people BTW) and after a few minutes I was told that it get connected to ground for the effect or taped for no effect, or it can be used with a SPSD switch that is grounded on one side and open of the other side of the switch…
The only problems is that the pots are all 25K audio and Fishman only furnished one 25K pot with a pull-push pot….
So I order tow more 25K A push-pull pots from Stew-Mac and installed all pot using two 25K push-pull pots (Tone) and one 25k normal pot (Volume) and got it working nicely. (BTW all pots audio taper)
Tone - think about a late 50’s Stratocaster with all the great tones 1,3,5 positions, then same as a 90’s Stratocaster in the 2,4 positions at any volume level… Then kicked up to a sweet hot lead tone by pulling up the bridge tone knob…. Then finally (Blue wire) pulling up on the neck tone, clear highs without that ice pick stuff.
Love them!
PS LReese - I purchased the Fishman battery backplate so I did not have to use a 9V battery.
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LReese
Sausage Gravy
Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
I just can't see purchasing the backplate knowing it will probably have to be replaced in 3 to 5 years. I have not had good luck with rechargeables, but I'll acknowledge it makes sense for some people (or if you just want it). I'm probably just going to wire up a cable to use phantom power and ditch the battery altogether.
I have to applaud Fishman for providing the choice.
I've had 2 days with the guitar (basic install [ except superswitch and individual tone assignment] above - no HF tilt at this point. Might hook it up later)
Yep - I'll say its 50's type Strat tone, but with a lot of crispness and clarity. But its not what I'd call harsh. This mode might turn off some purists (they did think of the HF tilt to cover that taste), but its a nice contrast to an high impedance single. I could easily coax out some heavier tones with the 2nd mode.
I'll have to say right now these are the best actives I've tried out by far - I've had (actually still have them) other active Strat pickups from the big 2. The mission right now is to tweak them to my taste.
My next plan is just to clean up the wiring further and go to a bigger tone cap (baby steps), but I'm leaving as is for at least a few weeks. I'll probably go to .05uF since I have them.
I just can't see purchasing the backplate knowing it will probably have to be replaced in 3 to 5 years. I have not had good luck with rechargeables, but I'll acknowledge it makes sense for some people (or if you just want it). I'm probably just going to wire up a cable to use phantom power and ditch the battery altogether.
I have to applaud Fishman for providing the choice.
I've had 2 days with the guitar (basic install [ except superswitch and individual tone assignment] above - no HF tilt at this point. Might hook it up later)
Yep - I'll say its 50's type Strat tone, but with a lot of crispness and clarity. But its not what I'd call harsh. This mode might turn off some purists (they did think of the HF tilt to cover that taste), but its a nice contrast to an high impedance single. I could easily coax out some heavier tones with the 2nd mode.
I'll have to say right now these are the best actives I've tried out by far - I've had (actually still have them) other active Strat pickups from the big 2. The mission right now is to tweak them to my taste.
My next plan is just to clean up the wiring further and go to a bigger tone cap (baby steps), but I'm leaving as is for at least a few weeks. I'll probably go to .05uF since I have them.
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Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
I finally got my Fluence review posted you can read it at the link below.
http://www.tmrzoo.com/2014/63358/fishman-fluence-pickups-hands-review
I finally got my Fluence review posted you can read it at the link below.
http://www.tmrzoo.com/2014/63358/fishman-fluence-pickups-hands-review
jon the art guy
Nerdy Nerd
Good god that video...
Dont make a mistake around those pickups man. Its like watching porn in hd for the first time...possibly terrifying in their sharpness. He wasn't digging in at all and getting some really articulate notes out of those hot patatas
Dont make a mistake around those pickups man. Its like watching porn in hd for the first time...possibly terrifying in their sharpness. He wasn't digging in at all and getting some really articulate notes out of those hot patatas
Rockstar216
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Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
Are the Buckers ready to be purchased yet or no? I've only seen singles for sale.
Are the Buckers ready to be purchased yet or no? I've only seen singles for sale.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
Not yet from what I have seen but I can probably get something done if you are interested.
Not yet from what I have seen but I can probably get something done if you are interested.
Rockstar216
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Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
Did they tell you if they have buckers for both G spaced and F spaced bridges? More interested in F spaced really. Might want to try a HSH but wonder how the singles compare to the buckers output wise. If these are anything like Bill Lawrence's pup i'm HIGHLY interested and will drop the cash for em.
Did they tell you if they have buckers for both G spaced and F spaced bridges? More interested in F spaced really. Might want to try a HSH but wonder how the singles compare to the buckers output wise. If these are anything like Bill Lawrence's pup i'm HIGHLY interested and will drop the cash for em.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
The only pickups I saw over there were G spaced. I have the feeling you could get away with using them in a Fender style HSH. The F spaced thing is over hyped, as long as the string is over the pole you are alright. This info came to me from one of the industry's most respected winders.
The only pickups I saw over there were G spaced. I have the feeling you could get away with using them in a Fender style HSH. The F spaced thing is over hyped, as long as the string is over the pole you are alright. This info came to me from one of the industry's most respected winders.
frankfalbo
In Fluence Y'all
Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
Actually the Modern set is blades, so that works for any spacing. The Classic set is already aligned. The neck pickup is G spaced, and the bridge pickup is F spaced. Even new Gibson's been doing it that way for over a decade. In other words, there's no bridge Classic pickup with narrow spacing. It's unnecessary. The Classics will work in anything.
And the outside dimension is the same. So you don't need any special mounting rings. They should fit what you already have.
Actually the Modern set is blades, so that works for any spacing. The Classic set is already aligned. The neck pickup is G spaced, and the bridge pickup is F spaced. Even new Gibson's been doing it that way for over a decade. In other words, there's no bridge Classic pickup with narrow spacing. It's unnecessary. The Classics will work in anything.
And the outside dimension is the same. So you don't need any special mounting rings. They should fit what you already have.
Rockstar216
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Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
So their will be two sets of Humbucker a "vintage" set and a "modern" set so to speak? Blades on the modern and poles on the vintage and spacing doesn't matter.
Ok so if both sets have two modes what would they be? I've seen the vids demonstrating the two modes of the classic humbuckers so what will the two modes of the modern buckers be like? Also I direct mount so I never use rings.
So their will be two sets of Humbucker a "vintage" set and a "modern" set so to speak? Blades on the modern and poles on the vintage and spacing doesn't matter.
Ok so if both sets have two modes what would they be? I've seen the vids demonstrating the two modes of the classic humbuckers so what will the two modes of the modern buckers be like? Also I direct mount so I never use rings.
frankfalbo
In Fluence Y'all
Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
Out of respect for where we are I don't want to go full tilt, but yeah if you've heard about the two distinct voices in each Classic, you know how it's not really like taking one voice and then altering it. It's really two different pickups, but sharing the same magnetic circuit. Like how a JB and a 59 are totally different but share the same magnetic circuit.
When you get to the Moderns, they're blades, so it responds like a blade. Rather than refer to those as neck and bridge, they both can be used in either position. The Alnico response (more often the neck) is sweeter and more fluid, while the Ceramic (more often the bridge) is more cutting and percussive.
Voice 1 Alnico-sweet and fluid, smooth solos, round and full rhythms clear treble, warm lows.
Voice 2 Alnico-crisp, clean, acoustic-ish in some ways, but thick in the low mids too. Excellent "oooh" sound.
Voice 1 Ceramic-cutting "active pickup" attack and tonal curve, truly more dynamics and frequency range. All the notes of broad chords stay clear under high gain. (Something everyone says but its true this time LOL)
Voice 2 Ceramic-all the best ceramic passive rock tones. If you like some of the Bare Knuckles Ceramics, Distortion, 500T, Black Winter, etc that's your voice. Excellent passive grunt but clarity you can't find in an overwound passive because the high wind clogs up the harmonic structure.
Out of respect for where we are I don't want to go full tilt, but yeah if you've heard about the two distinct voices in each Classic, you know how it's not really like taking one voice and then altering it. It's really two different pickups, but sharing the same magnetic circuit. Like how a JB and a 59 are totally different but share the same magnetic circuit.
When you get to the Moderns, they're blades, so it responds like a blade. Rather than refer to those as neck and bridge, they both can be used in either position. The Alnico response (more often the neck) is sweeter and more fluid, while the Ceramic (more often the bridge) is more cutting and percussive.
Voice 1 Alnico-sweet and fluid, smooth solos, round and full rhythms clear treble, warm lows.
Voice 2 Alnico-crisp, clean, acoustic-ish in some ways, but thick in the low mids too. Excellent "oooh" sound.
Voice 1 Ceramic-cutting "active pickup" attack and tonal curve, truly more dynamics and frequency range. All the notes of broad chords stay clear under high gain. (Something everyone says but its true this time LOL)
Voice 2 Ceramic-all the best ceramic passive rock tones. If you like some of the Bare Knuckles Ceramics, Distortion, 500T, Black Winter, etc that's your voice. Excellent passive grunt but clarity you can't find in an overwound passive because the high wind clogs up the harmonic structure.
Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
Those humbuckers shipping soon? Can't wait to try them. I've had regular spacing recommended for my PRS, which is how I would like to try the classics... will the f-spaced bridge work in a PRS Custom 22 or DGT?
Those humbuckers shipping soon? Can't wait to try them. I've had regular spacing recommended for my PRS, which is how I would like to try the classics... will the f-spaced bridge work in a PRS Custom 22 or DGT?
frankfalbo
In Fluence Y'all
Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
Shipping soon. Yes definitely consider the string spacing universal. We took string spacing off the table. No more "two versions of every bridge pickup" required. The pole pieces will line up just fine. No drama.
Shipping soon. Yes definitely consider the string spacing universal. We took string spacing off the table. No more "two versions of every bridge pickup" required. The pole pieces will line up just fine. No drama.
Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
Cool. I'll assume that means they fit in the mounting rings as well? The PRS rings don't look like they have a lot of space on the 50mm pickups they ship with...
Shipping soon. Yes definitely consider the string spacing universal. We took string spacing off the table. No more "two versions of every bridge pickup" required. The pole pieces will line up just fine. No drama.
Cool. I'll assume that means they fit in the mounting rings as well? The PRS rings don't look like they have a lot of space on the 50mm pickups they ship with...
frankfalbo
In Fluence Y'all
Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
So if you have an H/S/H guitar you'd buy the individual single coil that had the preamp in it.
Yeah as I said in a previous post the outside dimension is the same. Should fit almost every mounting ring. No Trembucker mounting ring needed.
This is true for the Strat set only. The Humbuckers are all self-contained. In the Strat, they all go to the 5-way, then feed the preamp.
So if you have an H/S/H guitar you'd buy the individual single coil that had the preamp in it.
LReese
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Re: Incoming New Pickup Day (Fishman Fluence)
Figured that one out when I was nearly finished wiring. What's the HSS set going to be like (if you can reveal at this time)?
I'm a big fan of the Suhr and Ilitch noise reduction systems with your favorite single coils - I feel the Fluence system rivals those solutions to the noise issue.
Figured that one out when I was nearly finished wiring. What's the HSS set going to be like (if you can reveal at this time)?
I'm a big fan of the Suhr and Ilitch noise reduction systems with your favorite single coils - I feel the Fluence system rivals those solutions to the noise issue.
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