Phantasmagoria
watch where you point that sabre
Not mad about P90's. Mostly the look of them. I can' get past that. Never owned a guitar w/ P90's and probably never will..
Things you could'nt care less about that the vast majority of guitar players luv...
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Sirion
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Most attempts to replace the original Floyd Rose. I make an exception for the TransTrem, which had musical possibilities of its own; I reserve judgment on the Sophia until I can test it. I don't think I'll ever bother again with a non-double-locking system, though - it simply is a better mousetrap.
Artie
Peaveyologist
Just curious . . . is it the three singles, or the overall form factor? In other words, would you like a dual-humbucker Strat?
Artie
Peaveyologist
I do too. But as someone else mentioned, I prefer smaller than standard cap values. Been experimenting with .001 uF. (1 nF)
Rex_Rocker
Well-known member
For me, I started out on a Yamaha Pacifica that was terrible. T E R R I B L E.
So that's why I hated Strats for the longest time. It seems like 90% of the cheap starter guitars are Strat copies, so I always associated Strats with bad cheap guitars.
Quite honestly, I don't love a stock Strat either. The neck profiles are kinda uncomfortable with the round fretboard radius, and I have no use for traditional Fender-style single coils. The volume knob is in an awkward position, and I don't love the aesthetics of an untilted headsock. The trems on the lower-end models tend to be there just for show too.
Buf I love how modular they are. Pretty much everyone makes Strat replacement parts, so it's easy to find something that will make a Strat work for anyone.
JMO.
So that's why I hated Strats for the longest time. It seems like 90% of the cheap starter guitars are Strat copies, so I always associated Strats with bad cheap guitars.
Quite honestly, I don't love a stock Strat either. The neck profiles are kinda uncomfortable with the round fretboard radius, and I have no use for traditional Fender-style single coils. The volume knob is in an awkward position, and I don't love the aesthetics of an untilted headsock. The trems on the lower-end models tend to be there just for show too.
Buf I love how modular they are. Pretty much everyone makes Strat replacement parts, so it's easy to find something that will make a Strat work for anyone.
JMO.
beaubrummels
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"... that the vast majority of guitar players luv"
...bagging on Gibson prices and quality issues.
...bagging on Gibson prices and quality issues.
Sss is the worst of the worst. The snotty tones in 2 and 4, the week chirpy bridge pickup, the 6 point trem that never stays in tune, the neck pickup that laces power, balls, character.
If a tone was tofu, it would be the neck pickup.
The body is extremely uncomfortable. The upper horn cuts in my ribs.
Humbuckers make it better but I still have strats.
Teles, I love though
Texsunburst59
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The thing that I’m sick and tired of seeing one most guitar forums is how AMAZING all these $200 important guitars are.
These guys putting down any guitar above $1k, and saying their $200 import guitar is as Di or better with a few mods.
If they can’t afford a $1k or better guitar because it’s out of their financial reach, that’s ok.
Don’t come on the forums and praise these $200 imports, and claim they’re every bit as good as guitars that cost 5X their price.
THEY DON’T.
PERIOD!!!!!!
These guys putting down any guitar above $1k, and saying their $200 import guitar is as Di or better with a few mods.
If they can’t afford a $1k or better guitar because it’s out of their financial reach, that’s ok.
Don’t come on the forums and praise these $200 imports, and claim they’re every bit as good as guitars that cost 5X their price.
THEY DON’T.
PERIOD!!!!!!
Masta' C
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I agree...to an extent.
I think there are definitely some $300-$400 guitars that compare extremely well to many guitars in the $700-$800 price range. I also think there are guitars in the $700-$800 price range that compare very well to guitars in the $1300-$1500 price range.
The "sweet spot" today seems to be around $400 for a really good beginner instrument and around $900 for a nicely featured intermediate instrument. Beyond that, you're really just paying for more interesting woods or finishes, marginally better hardware, and/or the guitar being made in the U.S.
Some of the truly inexpensive guitars (i.e. $200-$350) available today come with stainless frets and half-decent fretwork, but they do tend to sacrifice a bit in terms of the wood types used, the quality of the electrical components, and the quality of the hardware.
Still, you CAN find some guitars in this "budget" price range today that are well-featured, very good-sounding, decent-playing instruments compared to what was available at that price point at any time in the past. I think that's ultimately where the "hype" is coming from...
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Masta' C
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"Things you couldn't care less about that the vast majority of guitar players luv..."
Most things considered "vintage" or "traditional" simply because that's what players 50+ years ago had available to them. Doesn't matter if it's pickups, hardware (tuners, bridges, etc), nitro finishes, etc.
These past few years have been the most fun and exciting for me as a player, as I've seen a renewed interest in moving away from "tradition" with more contemporary features, finishes, guitar shapes, and technology permeating the market.
Most things considered "vintage" or "traditional" simply because that's what players 50+ years ago had available to them. Doesn't matter if it's pickups, hardware (tuners, bridges, etc), nitro finishes, etc.
These past few years have been the most fun and exciting for me as a player, as I've seen a renewed interest in moving away from "tradition" with more contemporary features, finishes, guitar shapes, and technology permeating the market.
It sounds like you haven't tried many guitars currently offered for about $200.
You need to take your blinders off and actually do a comparison.
Yes, some are not great and not even worth the $200 that they cost. But the majority of these $200 guitars are really quite good.
I've currently got over 50 guitars. A couple that were only $80, and some that cost over $7000 (some that are currently worth over $10,000). I admit that the ones I own that are worth over $7000 are untouchable in every respect by those that cost less than $200, but the $200 ones that I own are pretty darn good and can easily be made to compare to guitars costing $800 - 1500.
Chistopher
malapterurus electricus tonewood instigator
Controversial opinion, I would wager the average budget guitar nowadays is better than the average mid to upper level guitars of any other era. Quality control back in the day was fairly luck of the draw.
PS412
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Epiphone 1960 tribute plus Ibanez arzir20fb, both were in the $1000 range.
Iyv of Amazon $200 and something
The Iyv was every bit as good as the Epiphone and Ibby, in some ways better than the ibby straight out of the box.
I changed a couple of parts on the Iyv, did I have too, nope but I did.
A set of Black Winters, some nice but budget locking tuners and roller bridge and some chrome knobs.
I am still under a $1000 with parts change and this guitar just flat out rips.
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Chistopher
malapterurus electricus tonewood instigator
Also for all the people hear say "cheap guitars can be good too!" you don't hear people say "there's nothing wrong with putting a cheap part on an expensive guitar if it fits your needs better"
You use the parts that work and that fit your needs. Usually those parts are more expensive, but not always. I've got quite a few $7000 that have $2 pots in them that work as good or better than CTS pots that cost $5. What's the bad about that?
Rex_Rocker
Well-known member
I'm actually the other way around. Most older metal production.
Like... I don't hear what people like about Master of Puppets, for example. Other than the nostalgia factor, of course. I mean, the songs are good. Not my style of Metal, but I can appreciate the significance. At the time, it must have hit hard. But the production.... errr... Phasey guitars that sound so distant and cardboard-y drums drenched in reverb that manage to sound both small and washy. JMO.
IMO, that's kinda like people who say old amps sound better than new ones. But technology is moving forwards, not backwards.
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DankStar
Her Little Mojo Minion
I mean I get it, the new Kreator (not saying that’s your thing but it’s modern), for example, sounds huge and perfect and balanced but there’s a rawness and imperfection I miss compared to say, Terrible Certainty. Probably some nostalgia going on too. To a fault my ears are tuned to 70s and 80s production.
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